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#1 Cowboys&LakersFan

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 09:28 AM

It seems to me reading alot of posts that the majority of Laker fans are shocked at Dwight Howard's numbers this season and I ask why? Take alot at his numbers compared this season to last.


Dwight's last year in Orlando - 20.6 points, 14.5 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 57.3 FG%.

Dwight's first year in L.A. - 17.5 points, 11.8 rebounds, 2.5 blocks, 57.4 FG%.

You look at those numbers obviously his scoring is down signifanctly as is his rebounding, but that's what happens when you're no longer the #1 option and playing with a guy like Kobe who clearly dominates the ball and takes alot of shots. As for the rebounding in Orlando he had the whole lane to himself because he played with a stretch 4 in Ryan Andersen who constantly camped out at the three point line. Now he's playing with a 7 footer who challenges for boards in Pau Gasol. Plus you have to remember as it's been stated several times Howard is nowhere near 100 percent.
Considering all those factors it's relatively easy to see why Dwight's numbers are down in Los Angeles.

Edited by Cowboys&LakersFan, December 28, 2012 - 09:28 AM.

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#2 Trilapino

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 09:36 AM

Completely agree with you on this.

Same story goes for Pau. Since Bynum's surge and now dwight and nash part of the team with metta stepping it up, Pau has to compensate for others. Remember, when he was option 2 behind Kobe, his numbers were great resulting in championships. During the 2012 summer olympics he was explosive when number 1 option.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 09:54 AM

Statistics aside, Howard fumbles inside passes a lot more than Pau/Bynum. I'm not sure if this is attributed to his injury or he's always had bad hands. He's probably average a few points more if he could handle those passes for easy buckets.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 10:10 AM

He's been very 'off' this entire recent win-streak up to the loss against the Denver. He's playing a bum Bynum with only mere instances of defensive perfection and occasionally making great offensive plays. Not to mention his PnR play has been terrible. I'm seriously questioning how this man was the best PnR big for a solid three seasons in a row, because has shown nothing of it next to the best PnR point guard - ever. Body language is also completely off, almost as if he doesn't care, ala bum Bynum.

Hope it's just injuries and that he will eventually pick it up, because like every Laker player that has come and gone, once the lights aren't as bright as they seem to be, the ineptitude kicks in. I'm praying that's not the case for Howard.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 10:30 AM

dwight is still the best center in the league.period.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 10:49 AM

Its not his offense, its that pathetic joke he calls defense. You know, the defense that lets total scrubs waltz right down the lane for a dunk or layup from the 3 point line? Watch a REAL team play and how they defend the paint. Bynum was far more intimidating in the paint then Howard is, pathetic.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 10:55 AM

Its not his offense, its that pathetic joke he calls defense. You know, the defense that lets total scrubs waltz right down the lane for a dunk or layup from the 3 point line? Watch a REAL team play and how they defend the paint. Bynum was far more intimidating in the paint then Howard is, pathetic.

Watch a real team defend and focus on how near-perfect their rotations and communication is. Howard is doing just fine defensively minus the rebounding category.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 10:58 AM

Watch a real team defend and focus on how near-perfect their rotations and communication is. Howard is doing just fine defensively minus the rebounding category.


So a team with a few good players can rotate and communicate just fine but a team with 2 of the 5 best players in the game (Kobe and Dwight) one of them being a multiple time DPOY and 2 superstars (Nash and Pau) can't? This team is garbage.

Edited by 211275, December 28, 2012 - 10:59 AM.


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Posted December 28, 2012 - 11:11 AM

So a team with a few good players can rotate and communicate just fine but a team with 2 of the 5 best players in the game (Kobe and Dwight) one of them being a multiple time DPOY and 2 superstars (Nash and Pau) can't? This team is garbage.


You don't seem like a logical person so I'm going to keep it very simple and you can take it for what it's worth. Several problems about supposedly Dwitght's defensive woes: (1) Kobe roams A LOT, which means someone is "Free" on the opposing team, (2) Nash is a poor defender, we all (besides you) knew this, (3) Pau has horrible laterral movement and notorious for not rotating to help defensively, (4) Dwight is going to contest every shot that comes intot the paint (hence his awesome defensive numbers) which means some players need to ratate to cover the open guy in the paint.

It's very simple math and I'm not sure how you arrive to the pessimism you came to. Last point I'll make, Andrew Bynum was NOT a defensive force like Dwight and most of these players on this roster are trying and need to adjust to Dwights style of defense versus someone like Bynume who will just "camp" in the paint.

Edited by Obsidien, December 28, 2012 - 11:13 AM.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 11:11 AM

Its not his offense, its that pathetic joke he calls defense. You know, the defense that lets total scrubs waltz right down the lane for a dunk or layup from the 3 point line? Watch a REAL team play and how they defend the paint. Bynum was far more intimidating in the paint then Howard is, pathetic.

Lol watch the damn games bro. Howard's defense isn't the issue it's the perimeter players. Can't keep their man in front of them which leads to Dwight coming to help and no one is helping him. You have to help the helper and the Lakers haven't done that consistently this season.
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Posted December 28, 2012 - 11:48 AM

He wasn't even supposed to be back until January. It's going to take time. Come playoff time every other team will be [expletive]ting their pants.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 11:54 AM

So a team with a few good players can rotate and communicate just fine but a team with 2 of the 5 best players in the game (Kobe and Dwight) one of them being a multiple time DPOY and 2 superstars (Nash and Pau) can't? This team is garbage.


I think I remember you posting last month that the Clippers were your new favorite team to support.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 11:55 AM

Its not his offense, its that pathetic joke he calls defense. You know, the defense that lets total scrubs waltz right down the lane for a dunk or layup from the 3 point line? Watch a REAL team play and how they defend the paint. Bynum was far more intimidating in the paint then Howard is, pathetic.


I don't know what you are watching. Seriously. I get more excited by Howard's defense at times more so than anything Bynum did on offense..... you expect perfection. I accept reality.

Edited by -Wade-, December 28, 2012 - 12:01 PM.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 12:05 PM

Aren't his numbers almost the same to what he averaged in Orlando?

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 12:10 PM

Dwight's defense > Bynum's offense

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 12:12 PM

Injured Dwight > Healthy (When has that ever been?) Bynum

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 12:20 PM

Injured Dwight > Healthy (When has that ever been?) Bynum


Injured Dwight > 80% of the Centers in the NBA statistically.

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 12:35 PM

IM NOT SUPRISED, HIS NUMBERS ARE BECAUSE HES NOT 100%, HES A PLAYER WHO RELIES SOLEY ON ATHLETICISM, HIS WHOLE GAME IS PREDICATED 100% ON ATHLETICISM. HIS NUMBERS WILL BE THE EXACT SAME AS THEY WERE IN ORL WHEN HE GETS TO 100%

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 01:08 PM

Its not his offense, its that pathetic joke he calls defense. You know, the defense that lets total scrubs waltz right down the lane for a dunk or layup from the 3 point line? Watch a REAL team play and how they defend the paint. Bynum was far more intimidating in the paint then Howard is, pathetic.


The joke of the year

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Posted December 28, 2012 - 01:14 PM

The joke of the year


I was convinved that 211275 was a troll so I reviewed his posts and realized that he actually isn't, but instead is extremely emotional. He goes way up and way down depending on the performance of the team. He'll be hopping over to root for the Clippers anytime soon and switch back to the Lakers post February when the Lakers start to kick ass and be on our bandwagon again.

Edited by Obsidien, December 28, 2012 - 01:14 PM.

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