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Have to give MDA credit - Has been coaching/assigning match-ups well in late game situations


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#21 Cj2008nw

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Posted December 26, 2012 - 08:02 AM

You really don't understand the game at all if you're asking that question. Can Morris create for himself or others off the dribble? Can he drive and finish at the rim? Can he spot up and make the opposition pay as a floor spacer on a consistent basis? The answer to all three is a resounding NO. Darius Morris is not a good offensive player, he's a below average NBA player. But he's young and athletic, so he's probably a legit NBA starter in your book. Effort =/= effectiveness, and he definitely isn't effective for us offensively unless he's wide open with no one within 8 feet of him (because they'll give him jumpers from 20+ feet out all night long) or if it's in transition on the break.

Guess where all 6 of those points against Golden State came from? A lay-up in transition off a steal, a lay-up when the Warriors completely fell asleep on defense, and a lay-up where he ran the floor in transition and attacked the Warriors defense. He is not effective in a halfcourt set (which we're going to be running frequently with our personnel), thus he's an offensive liability for us.

Good 3-point shooter? Based off what exactly, that he knocks down shots when there is no one playing a hint of defense? Get real. He is not a good shooter. That would be referring to Jodie Meeks. Looking at Morris' percentages on the season don't tell the whole story, especially when he's being spoon fed with the defense giving him all the space in the world. Hell, if he's not in that left-hand corner, he's almost useless from beyond the arc. If he were a good shooter, then he wouldn't be seeing so little defensive coverage off the ball.

Morris doesn't deserve to start. He's not good enough to be a starter in this league, he's not a good enough defensive player to handle starting caliber SGs or PGs on most teams, and he's a liability on the offensive end for the most part. We're basically hiding a weak link and soaking up minutes by putting him on the floor with our 4 best players until we plug MWP into the game. The only reason for Kobe's move to SF is due to the massive hole we had at backup SF this entire time. Shifting him to that position and keeping Morris as a token starter at SG eliminates our production issue from the SF position. That's it.

Sure, it works for now, but I'd much rather have a player that can actually be a contributor for us on a nightly basis in the starting lineup. You'll see Morris yanked out early and often in games because he'll usually be taken advantage of by starting caliber players. It doesn't really add anything to our team thrusting him in as a starter, it's just a minutes stopgap.


Morris does do a lot of drive and kick outs when he does run PG and does manage to get a few assists when asked to do the ball handling
But half of the things that your asking him to do is not what the coach wants....
All I got from what you said was "so what if he scored 6 points they were in transition" and last time I checked Lakers needed a few fast break opportunities and then your argument is he isn't a good 3 point shooter cause he doesn't shoot them contested? Which is also silly if he can make a wide open 3 then why not keep him on the floor? Think how the Knicks feel when Brewer is out there on offense? Or when sefolosha is out there for the thunder.... They are true offensive liabilities because brewer doesn't hit any jump shots consistently and that's being wide open and either does sefolosha

#22 L.A.K.E.R

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Posted December 26, 2012 - 01:43 PM

He does not drive and kick, get that through your head. This image of Morris as some capable PG who can shoulder heavy rotational minutes needs to be put to rest. He can barely get into the paint because he's out of control most of the time and his decision-making once he gets inside is questionable to say the least.

You said he isn't an offensive liability, but an inability to do anything effectively in a halfcourt set DOES make him a liability for this team. Scoring in transition on a fastbreak doesn't make him a valuable player for us. We're not the mid-00s Phoenix Suns. Every guard in the NBA should be able to finish lay-ups in transition. He isn't a good 3 point shooter because of the quality of the defense he is playing against. Do you not understand WHY they leave him that open? They will give him that wide open jumper time and time again, meaning that he isn't stretching the opposition's defense because they feel fine with him jacking up shots. This in turn makes it more difficult for Kobe and Dwight because the opposing defense will remain compact and deny them the necessary space. We cannot rely on Morris as a knockdown shooter because he is NOT a shooter, period. Meeks is far superior to him in that category, and it isn't even close. If anyone should start off the bench at SG, it should be Meeks because he'd stretch the floor for our starters.

You really just compared Darius Morris to Sefolosha and Brewer? The difference is that the two of them are capable defensive players (both are very good on-ball defenders) while Morris is not. He's not some lockdown defender, he's merely average on that end. That doesn't make up for his lack of an offensive game in the starting lineup. He's nothing more than a minutes stopgap for us.

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Posted December 26, 2012 - 01:45 PM

Cue the eventual "omg you hate Morris ur so biased and you hate young players" post. Happens every time this Darius Morris topic is revisited and you run out of things to say.

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Posted December 26, 2012 - 02:14 PM

How is he a offensive Liability when the game before this he had 6 points in 6 minutes.... I don't understand your logic and he is still a good 3 point shooter and on offense Nash is the primary ball handler..... while Morris guards the quick PGs.... this is our best possible lineup to be honest... because MWP sixth man role right now is doing wonders for us


Lol you have no logic. You bring up one game but don't bring up his averages.

18.8mins a game and only scores 5.1 points on 37% shooting with Assist/To ratio of 1.8. Those stats clearly show he is offensive liability.

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Posted December 26, 2012 - 03:45 PM

On the MDA side of things what about the high minutes that he is asking starters to play? Until those minutes come down, the Lakers will be in trouble come May (yes they will make the playoffs).

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Posted December 26, 2012 - 04:00 PM

On the MDA side of things what about the high minutes that he is asking starters to play? Until those minutes come down, the Lakers will be in trouble come May (yes they will make the playoffs).


When we have a decent record and can take a loss or 2 we will play them less but right now were fighting for playoffs. We may have a .500 record but that can easily go back down quickly.

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Posted December 26, 2012 - 04:02 PM

On the MDA side of things what about the high minutes that he is asking starters to play? Until those minutes come down, the Lakers will be in trouble come May (yes they will make the playoffs).


The minutes will go down as the team starts to gel better. They need to play lengthy minutes right now so we can win games because of the inconsistencies elsewhere.

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Posted December 26, 2012 - 04:18 PM

On the MDA side of things what about the high minutes that he is asking starters to play? Until those minutes come down, the Lakers will be in trouble come May (yes they will make the playoffs).


We'll see our starters getting fewer minutes once we've established an identity with this team. It's a normal 82 game season so there is plenty of rest time between games for our starters (unlike last season). Unless D'Antoni insists on running them 40+ minutes a night until April, I doubt we'll have fatigue issues late in the season. We'll see less of the starters on the floor once we begin to put teams away early in games after we've gotten the chemistry down pat.




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