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[SuPeRmAoR]

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[LakeShow805]

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Unrealistic. Hawks would never do that.

[JGuez]

^ Pretty sure I just read recently that Josh Smith seems like he'd be more open to re-signing with the Hawks. They're doing well at the moment and can sign a big name next season.

[SuPeRmAoR]

I was under the impression Smith wanted out, guess he doesnt.

[Real Deal]

There are handful of PGs in the league who are both good defenders AND true floor generals...and all of them are franchise players.

Forget about getting them for the vet's minimum...Barbosa was the closest thing to that which we could have had, realistically.

You crush Delonte West for being a bad floor general, and a two-guard in a PG's body...but then you say Barbosa's name?

Barbosa is a two-guard in a point guard's body, and he's a horrid defensive player. What has Barbosa brought to a team better than most sixth-man guards in years? Scoring. He comes in, drops 15, leaves. He doesn't facilitate, sure the hell doesn't defend (basically gambles on everything using his speed, which he has lost over the years)...and you're seriously putting Delonte in the gutter for what again?

[MysticBlu~]

Just get West!

[fido]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

People still on this Barbosa PG thing?! Wow.

[bigfetz]

Damn thought he would be signed by now being that last game was so bad

[Majesty]

Well the Lakers were interested in Delonte for a while. This off-season especially but he decided to resign with the Mavs. He probably has a change of heart now.

[Japago]

It's a band aid. The Lakers are so awful though, that it might make a significant impact. Out of Delonte or Pargo, the Lakers should get Delonte. He has a better skill set, even if his personality is a risk. You have to wonder about that because Mavs cut him because of it, and their PG position got so bad afterward that they signed Derek Fisher.

It's deeply disturbing that the Lakers aren't thinking big time change though. That's really what this team needs. They have to know by now that even a 100% Nash isn't going to help this team enough. And, the Lakers might not even have that all season.

[Majesty]

It's a band aid. The Lakers are so awful though, that it might make a significant impact. Out of Delonte or Pargo, the Lakers should get Delonte. He has a better skill set, even if his personality is a risk. You have to wonder about that because Mavs cut him because of it, and their PG position got so bad afterward that they signed Derek Fisher.

It's deeply disturbing that the Lakers aren't thinking big time change though. That's really what this team needs. They have to know by now that even a 100% Nash isn't going to help this team enough. And, the Lakers might not even have that all season.

Nash eliminates turnovers

Delonte eliminates offensively challenged point guards that aren't aggressive when they have plays given to them by Kobe as well as a few turnover problems caused by overpassing due to not being offensively aggressive despite shooting ability(Duhon). Or being offensively aggressive and either being too out of control or not being able to finish(Morris).

Also Delonte is a better defender than both of them, so that's a plus as well.

[Japago]

Nash eliminates turnovers

Delonte eliminates offensively challenged point guards that aren't aggressive when they have plays given to them by Kobe as well as a few turnover problems caused by overpassing due to not being offensively aggressive despite shooting ability(Duhon). Or being offensively aggressive and either being too out of control or not being able to finish(Morris).

Also Delonte is a better defender than both of them, so that's a plus as well.

Those aren't the only problems the Lakers have.

Like I said though, the Lakers are so awful that it might actually make a big impact. Maybe it can at least get them close to being a playoff team again.

[Massacre]

Delonte West is better than half the players we have under contract.

...Why is this taking so long?

[leebo508]

That's all the Lakers need, a PG that can defend. They have enough players that can score, with Kobe, Dwight, etc. They need to stop players like Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook. Quick PGs that can break up our defense, forcing switches and pick and roll us to death. Delonte West is your best bet.

[Bjork]

Welp. Mike Bibby is available also. idk if he he's still good tho

[Majesty]

Those aren't the only problems the Lakers have.

Like I said though, the Lakers are so awful that it might actually make a big impact. Maybe it can at least get them close to being a playoff team again.

No, but those problems have been the most costly in terms of every close loss.

If we looked at every close loss we've had if you eliminate even 5 of our turnovers we win the game and I'd rather we start ironing out the other issues on the team while not having the turnover issue. Because we could fix all other problems but the turnovers will forever cost us games. So I think that's the biggest issue to tackle and then we can iron out everything else as the season progresses.

Delonte's defense at the 1 is a good addition to put in while Nash(when he comes back) is on the bench.

Edited by Majesty, December 12, 2012 - 01:40 PM.

[Drazard]

Delonte is a good backup...problem is we are looking for someone to take over STARTING duties for the vet's min?...good luck with that...

And Delonte is not a PG, no matter what people may want to say. I don't care about his stats or his highlight videos. He's a scoring guard who has yet to successfully run an offense as a starter at the college level (Jameer was their point at St. Joe's) or the NBA (hence the unemployed state of being).

Can he help us? Yes.
Will he run this offense? Not a chance in heck.

West is not a point guard type?

PEOPLE CHANGE

[Japago]

No, but those problems have been the most costly in terms of every close loss.

If we looked at every close loss we've had if you eliminate even 5 of our turnovers we win the game and I'd rather we start ironing out the other issues on the team while not having the turnover issue. Because we could fix all other problems but the turnovers will forever cost us games. So I think that's the biggest issue to tackle and then we can iron out everything else as the season progresses.

Delonte's defense at the 1 is a good addition to put in while Nash(when he comes back) is on the bench.

I'm only gonna say this once since we've argued over this over and over again.

I agree turnovers are a big issue and the Lakers aren't going to win without cutting down turnovers. But, the Lakers won't win with their perimeter D. Wing players are having a field day against the Lakers, even in the half court. The Lakers need an athletic wing defender to replace Metta.

[Bjork]

West is not a point guard type?

PEOPLE CHANGE

That doesn't make any sense

[Majesty]

I'm only gonna say this once since we've argued over this over and over again.

I agree turnovers are a big issue and the Lakers aren't going to win without cutting down turnovers. But, the Lakers won't win with their perimeter D. Wing players are having a field day against the Lakers, even in the half court. The Lakers need an athletic wing defender to replace Metta.

And I'll say this once.

Take away 5 of our turnovers per game and our opponents rarely if ever score above the 80-90 points range,

We lose on an average of 5 points a game because we're a top ranked defensive and offensive team but the PROBLEM is that the turnovers cost us. Our halfcourt defense isn't what's costing us games.

This is the point I'm trying to make with you.

You talk about the importance of wing defenders and defense in the halfcourt but the fact of the matter is we were one of FOUR teams in the NBA that were top 10 offense and defense and we had a sub 500 record because of our turnovers.

So all the issues you complain about mean diddily squat if fixed if our turnover problem still remains.

That's why it's more important than the things you complain about currently and is what will net us the most victories this season over the things you want fixed. That is my point.