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#1 manaro90

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 02:51 AM

doesnt it annoying you too , that nearly after we start a streak in the regular season with a big push to the higher positions in the conference, we immediatly fall back in to our "loss hole"?

What I mean is that this feeling came back during this Game against the Kings. Kobe Bryant was the ONE AND ONLY who tried to bring us another Win and not lose this match! Pau hasnt did [expletive] in this game. Im so frustrated with yesterdays play by Pau and by Dwight too. I mean you have to expect from a All Star center that he produces and supports your star player Kobe Bryant. He didnt. Dwight was kept between Cousins and Thompson and WHEN he had the ball..."WHEN".. he passed it around instead of dunking or trying layup. It looks to me as if Dwight was wanting to avoid contact to not go to the foul line. I dont know but this is [expletive] , really. We NEED production of every single one of this roster and agaiiiin Kobe ,with 34 years, plays 40 minutes as if Mike Brown was still standing outside.

The other thing is that Mike DAntoni didnt stand up enough much outside the court. I dont know if it is because of his leg but I expect from a 61 year old coach to scream and shout more and push the players more into the offense! The only two players who tried to bring back the Lakers with Kobe were Metta and wow Jodie Meeks. I like that. But what I mean with this post is that there I called it the "LAKERS DNA" that there are moments during the regular season where you think we will win 5 or 6 in a row now and then the Lakers start a game and dont take several opponets serious enough or go lazy on D. It happend with the team in 2009, 2010 ,2011 and especially last season were we lost a lot of garbage games.. ! Seriously we gotta change that ..cause it wont get easier for us on the schedule! Especially with going to Memphis and Dallas the next 72 hours..damn...

Also a big point is that we need Steve Nash back! Does anyone know when he returns? Cause he is the main relaible one, next to Kobe who can score the ball and set the plays!


What do you think??

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 03:20 AM

Another thread?

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 03:23 AM

Another thread?


Contribute or don't. It's a thread about our ambition and what was to blame for our loss. What's wrong with that?


Anyway, it was Dwight's first back to back of the season and obviously his legs aren't all the way there.

So this was probably the most tired you'll see us this early in the season.

That in addition to Gasol too used to not pushing up the floor as Kobe puts it didn't help us too much.

Above all, turnovers, free throw shooting(wasn't even Dwight's fault as he didn't get to the free throw line till the 4th quarter) and tired legs because it was a back to back were the issue.

Back to back has a lot to do with it but our interior defense or lack there of didn't help.

This article pretty much covers it all

http://espn.go.com/b...s-113-lakers-97

Rapid Reaction: Kings 113, Lakers 97

Said Mike D'Antoni after his first loss as head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers, Wednesday night in Sacramento:

"I thought we were very lethargic. From the opening tap, the first half might have been the worst basketball I've seen in 10 years. We just didn't play well. But mostly because of the energy level, we're not running the floor, or anything. There was a little bit of defense early, but then that caved in toward the end."

Pretty much sums things up. One night after their best win of the season, the Lakers put out one of their worst efforts, certainly the weakest since Mike Brown was fired after five games.

Here are five takeaways.


Kobe doin' (way too much) work.


It's not just the 40 minutes of burn on the second night of a back-to-back after playing 39 on the front end and nursing a bad ankle -- though ain't none of that good -- but the amount of effort Bryant expended in an effort to keep the Lakers in it. As it has been throughout the season, he was outstanding. His 38 points included a dazzling display of outside shooting in the third quarter. Bryant started with a circus 3-pointer in the left corner, bailing the Lakers out of a bad possession. Then he stroked another off a pin down, and a third while spinning at the top of the key before firing. Bryant continually attacked off the screen, and as the game wore on got himself to the line.

Overall, those 38 points required only 20 shots from the floor. The Prius in your driveway isn't that efficient.

But all that performance required way too much work. The Lakers can't ask Bryant to play like this for long without a real threat of diminishing returns. Trip after trip, Bryant was made into both the main scoring threat and the primary ball distributor. He performed a similar function Tuesday against Brooklyn, but the level of engagement from his teammates was light years better, making his burden that much smaller. Given how long it might be before Steve Nash returns, they can't ask him to do it until he comes back, either.

Bringing me to ...

The bigs don't have their D'Antoni legs yet.

Dwight Howard had only two points in the first half. He finished the night with four shots and was a non-factor on that side of the ball. Howard was slow up and down the floor, and in the half court his mobility was way down. As a result he wasn't much of a threat as a roll man in high-screen sets. Because Sacramento didn't have to pay him much attention, they could focus it everywhere else, whether on Bryant or Gasol as a ball mover. To some degree, Wednesday night's performance was predictable. This is only Howard's second back-to-back since coming back from surgery. He played big minutes Tuesday and, like his teammates, is adjusting to the special sort of fitness required to play in D'Antoni's system. He'll get there eventually, but Howard was basically stuck in the mud on Wednesday.

At least he had company. Pau Gasol was a little more active but no more effective. He had only three (one a dunk in garbage time) makes in 10 tries. And while there were a few good passes and some nice defensive plays early, Gasol's impact wore away as the game wore on. This is something the Lakers can't afford, particularly while Nash is out and Howard isn't quite there. While the style of the new system might suit his skill set, Gasol has some physical adjustments to make.

"Dwight’s used to running. He’s not in tip-top shape like he will be. Pau is used to kind of laboring up the floor," Bryant said after the game. "Kind of coasting a little. In this offense, you’ve really got to put the motor on the first few steps and get up the court."

Pau needs to get his D'Antoni sea legs under him pretty quickly, or 24 will find himself burning too much energy in December to dominate in May and (hopefully) beyond.

Gasol was too passive offensively, continuing to drift high on the floor even when Howard was on the bench. and even in those moments when he got aggressive, couldn't win. He missed a few chippies, and on one second-half dribble-drive, Gasol lost the ball off his leg. He finished with eight points, meaning he and Howard combined for 15. Not good enough.

This, by the way, is where better depth comes in handy.


Turnovers were a killer.

The Lakers had taken much better care of the ball in the first three games since D'Antoni was hired. Wednesday, they fell off the wagon, then got caught up in the spokes. Twenty turnovers helped fuel a Kings offense that has been terrible over the early portion of the 2012-13 season. To their credit, at least, the Lakers busted out the full repertoire of giveaways. There were offensive fouls, careless passes, poor decisions and confusion. Players losing the handle? Sure, that too. Kobe led the way with seven turnovers, not all that surprising given how much ball handling he had to do. <a href="http://espn.go.com/n...-morris">Darius Morris wasn't much better, adding five against only one dime.

No surprise he was on the bench down the stretch.

The turnovers put the Lakers back on their heels, and were a major -- though certainly not the only -- reason Sacramento scored 50 points in the paint. For a while the Lakers did good work defensively, or at the least kept points off the board. Sacramento didn't crack the 50-point barrier until the 8:32 mark of the third quarter. But as the game went on, the combination of leg-weariness and carelessness became their undoing and the Lakers totally collapsed.

The Lakers didn't play well, by any stretch. Still, it wouldn't have taken that much more care with the ball to steal a win.


Free throws clearly aren't free.

At the end of the third quarter, the Lakers had taken 22 more free throws than Sacramento, yet had only 13 more makes. Don't blame Howard, either. He didn't get to the stripe until the fourth quarter. Even after Kobe converted one attempt after attempt in the second half, the Lakers still didn't reach 70 percent for the game. In the same way reasonably competent work avoiding turnovers very well could have given the Lakers the game, a better percentage early would almost certainly have changed the game late because the Lakers wouldn't have had to play catch up.

The Lakers aren't going to become the Oklahoma City Thunder when it comes to free throws. Howard is almost single-handedly capable of pushing a team to the bottom of the free-throw percentage ladder. For the Lakers to effectively carry that deficiency in Howard's game, they can't afford to have other guys missing as well.

Wednesday, they left too many points on the table.


Jodie Meeks showed signs of life.

12 points in the third quarter, including a pair of 3-pointers and a nice little baseline jumper. While this doesn't necessarily mean much given his lack of production this year, it was easily Meeks' best showing of the season. More importantly, because D'Antoni kept him on the floor with the starting unit thanks to his hot hand, it gave an idea of how he might be utilized when surrounded by players who draw enough attention to let Meeks set up for open shots on the wing. He has an incredibly quick trigger, and with his feet set has been pretty accurate this year. A designated 3-point shooter is a big player in D'Antoni's offense, and at least on paper, Meeks is that guy for the Lakers.

Interestingly, D'Antoni went with Meeks along with Kobe and Chris Duhon -- not a lineup they've run with this year -- and sat Antawn Jamison in the second half. D'Antoni knows he has to squeeze more productivity out of his reserves, so look for him to try different combinations over the next few games, looking for anything that works and lightens the burden on his starters.




That should cover everything. Positives and negatives etc. Hope that helps.

Edited by Majesty, November 22, 2012 - 03:28 AM.

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 03:45 AM

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 04:03 AM

What do i think?


Why does this guy have 3 different fonts, and font sizes in his post...

WTF...

#6 Majesty

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 04:07 AM

What do i think?


Why does this guy have 3 different fonts, and font sizes in his post...

WTF...


I changed fonts because it started getting glitchy and posting everything in bold, so then I used the full editor and fixed the problem but cba to go back and make all the fonts the same >_>

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 07:41 AM

Kobe cant keep playing 40 mins every game especially back to back even if he's the only one keeping us in it rather see us get blown out than to see Kobe get injured or extremely tired...

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 08:42 AM

that is akwaaard

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 09:16 AM

Kobe cant keep playing 40 mins every game especially back to back even if he's the only one keeping us in it rather see us get blown out than to see Kobe get injured or extremely tired...

agree. Pringles has to slash minutes.

It might be the only way to get role players to step up.

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 09:25 AM

Problem with that is if they don't step up we lose again, they (all he team) should get into professional NBA shape, no excuses Pau is who he is, a medically minded person and not a gladiator, too many turnovers a few more we'll be called the Bakers.

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 10:21 AM

Poor Lakers...asked to exert themselves for 60 minutes...and only making 10 million a year....How can you NOT be sympathetic for them? (other than Kobe, of course who has enough pride & heart to bring it every friggin game)....

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 12:01 PM

Great post


do u mean me?

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 12:21 PM

I'm not going to overreact after last night's loss. This is nothing new to this team. They have always had successful stretches where they look the best team in the league, only to lose to a sub-par team right after. It is just a matter of focus and fatigue. There are some bright spots to consider. For example, Jodie Meeks played great, we continued to get to the free throw line (however we couldn't convert, but most of those misses were from decent free throw shooters like Kobe, Pau, etc.). A big difference between Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum is Dwight always comes back with a vengeance after a poor performance, where Bynum would continue to disappear. I expect big number from Dwight tomorrow.

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 12:46 PM

too many turnovers a few more we'll be called the Bakers.


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Posted November 22, 2012 - 02:26 PM

good finding Majesty.

26 consecutive points were by kobe and meeks .. I thought we had howard and kept Gasol for that not to happen. but its understandable, Howard was obviously tired.


Gasol became a liability on both ends .. His market value is on its worst stages , so i don't think he'll be traded .


Hill should've stayed with the starting line-up instead of gasol..

What bothers me that i have to say we need Nash to be back soon,, You cant fully count on a 38 years old guy when you have two superstars and you are after a championship, even though he is extremely effective.

1-2 punch kobe and howard , nash and howard .. mwp hitting the threes , gasol plays some basketball .. thats what we need ,, and above all , some heart.

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 02:37 PM

good finding Majesty.

26 consecutive points were by kobe and meeks .. I thought we had howard and kept Gasol for that not to happen. but its understandable, Howard was obviously tired.


Gasol became a liability on both ends .. His market value is on its worst stages , so i don't think he'll be traded .


Hill should've stayed with the starting line-up instead of gasol..

What bothers me that i have to say we need Nash to be back soon,, You cant fully count on a 38 years old guy when you have two superstars and you are after a championship, even though he is extremely effective.

1-2 punch kobe and howard , nash and howard .. mwp hitting the threes , gasol plays some basketball .. thats what we need ,, and above all , some heart.


having Blake back would be extremely helpful at this point.

But Kobe was pretty critical of Pau saying last night that he in particular needs to get it together and get up the court, and is used to kind of loafing around and that in this offense and such he can't afford to be that way. He said he understands why Dwight isn't being as active because he isn't in the kind of shape he will be, but was pretty clear that PAU has to step up and stop loafing around like he's used to.

So when Kobe who always has supported Pau singles him out as the guy in particular that needs to step up, that means if Pau doesn't he'll be gone for someone who will. He's too much of a liability on both ends the way he's playing and it hurts us, and it shows. It's lovely the high low between him and Howard and how unstoppable it is but it's pointless if Pau's defense and help defense is so bad that we give up 50 points in the paint then we aren't gonna win a championship with him.

That is for sure. If Pau hasn't gotten his act together and we DON'T trade him, we aren't winning a championship this year, it's as simple as that.

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 03:13 PM

Yeah Pau has to step out more, plus he is 4 years now a Laker and got the most trust of Kobe ...next to the new additions Pau hast to be the 2nd option to step up more!

I hope we get it done in our back2 backs... cant wait for those games this weekend!

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 03:28 PM

Well we'll probably see more of a Meeks at the 1 Kobe at the 2 lineup a few times with Kobe being the ball handler and facilitator in the offense looking to feed Meeks for three(basically what Duhon's job has been up to this point) but Meeks showed he probably fits better in that role AS LONG as Kobe is the main playmaker and facilitator in that lineup.

The only downside is that would mean more minutes for Kobe which he does not need.

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 05:50 PM

Dwight telling the team they can't afford to have "two of these in a row" in hilarious fashion. Seems to really want to go into Memphis and win :)

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Posted November 22, 2012 - 05:53 PM

It's gotta be exhausting over reacting to every win and loss.




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