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#61 Japago

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Posted November 14, 2012 - 12:19 AM

Good games and bad games are a part of the general. So to disqualify all the good games and say "if he didn't have good games he'd have done this" as a whole, his numbers are pretty close to his career statistics. We can't just say "if he didn't have good games." because he has.


AGAIN, he's shooting 36% and 31% from 3, still below his career numbers. You do have a point that we shouldn't expect him to be efficient since he hasn't had great efficiency during his career, but that means he shouldn't be shooting as much as he is either. His declining defense makes it tougher to bear.

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Posted November 14, 2012 - 12:27 AM

Metta's defense is better? I still see him get torched by quicker players, not getting out on shooters, and not recovering fast enough on screens.

He definitely got torched by Batum already this season, the only really good SF he's faced against so far.


Alright let's look at his matchups so far then :)


In this short season

Harrison Barnes

45% shooter during the season
37% against Ron
3-8 7 points


Carl Landry
3-12 6 points


Jason Thompson
3-8 7 points

Tayshaun Prince
3-8 9 points



Metta has played solid defense, the only two games he really got burned were against Utah and against the Clippers. Against Utah he wasn't getting much help off the screens and against the Clippers he was in foul trouble and couldn't play that aggressively and I'm sure we remember that. he went a couple games in foul trouble early and still nearly playing 40 minutes.


Fact is he hasn't been a slouch and we can bring up the Jack performance(which I mentioned earlier) and the Clippers game in foul trouble just as he was in Portland. Other than that he's been a nightmare for people at that position and is averaging more steals than he ever has as a Laker thus far


but I digress.


AGAIN, he's shooting 36% and 31% from 3, still below his career numbers. You do have a point that we shouldn't expect him to be efficient since he hasn't had great efficiency during his career, but that means he shouldn't be shooting as much as he is either. His declining defense makes it tougher to bear.


He's shooting 38% as a career 40% shooter -_- And read above about his defense.

Edited by Majesty, November 14, 2012 - 12:34 AM.

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Posted November 14, 2012 - 12:40 AM

Alright let's look at his matchups so far then :)


In this short season

Harrison Barnes

45% shooter during the season
37% against Ron
3-8 7 points


Carl Landry
3-12 6 points


Jason Thompson
3-8 7 points

Tayshaun Prince
3-8 9 points



Metta has played solid defense, the only two games he really got burned were against Utah and against the Clippers. Against Utah he wasn't getting much help off the screens and against the Clippers he was in foul trouble and couldn't play that aggressively and I'm sure we remember that. he went a couple games in foul trouble early and still nearly playing 40 minutes.


Fact is he hasn't been a slouch and we can bring up the Jack performance(which I mentioned earlier) and the Clippers game in foul trouble. Other than that he's been a nightmare for people at that position and is averaging more steals than he ever has as a Laker thus far


but I digress.




He's shooting 38% as a career 40% shooter -_- And read above about his defense.


Why are you putting PFs up there? Prince isn't very good anymore, and Barnes is just a role player at this point.

You forgot his worst performance, against Portland. That's 3 awful performances out of 8 games. And he's only faced one really good SF in those 8 games.

Averaging a lot of steals doesn't really say how good of a man-to-man defender somebody is. Iverson always got a lot of steals, and nobody would say he was a good defender. People who gamble a lot usually average more steals than people who don't.

After San Antonio, he's at 36%.

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Posted November 14, 2012 - 12:43 AM

Why are you putting PFs up there? Prince isn't very good anymore, and Barnes is just a role player at this point.

You forgot his worst performance, against Portland. That's 3 awful performances out of 8 games.

Averaging a lot of steals doesn't really say how good of a man-to-man defender somebody is. Iverson always got a lot of steals, and nobody would say he was a good defender. People who gamble a lot usually average more steals than people who don't.

After San Antonio, he's at 36%.


And I actually mentioned his bad defensive performances.


And to prevent micromanaging EVERY single game why don't we look at his statistics 10 games from now.

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Posted November 14, 2012 - 01:01 AM

D'iantoni will need every damn good defensive player on the team. I think Metta will find his shot .. until then he's gonna chuck some, that always happens.

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Posted November 14, 2012 - 06:18 AM

Damn on his BDay you all dont give him any slack = :clap2:

Im sick of MWP gunning 3s without being set & or trying his Kobe impression flat footed rise & shoot off of no dribble. i dont know if its just becuase he knows Bernie isnt going to bench him or cuz it was his Bday & he wanted to showout. But the sheet gotta stop! He is plaguing the offense time & time again. I saw Ebanks was allowed to dress why not play him?
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Posted November 14, 2012 - 07:01 AM

And I actually mentioned his bad defensive performances.


And to prevent micromanaging EVERY single game why don't we look at his statistics 10 games from now.


the point is he shoots way too much for our 5th option

I'm too lazy to look it up right now but there's been a few games he's shot the same amount or more than Howard

I understand you like his hustle and energy but I don't see how you can defend him about how much he shoots

when he's shooting 30% from 3 that means he sucks at shooing 3's and needs to try passing the ball more! If he wants to continue to shoot this much he needs to practice his shot till he can hit around 40% 3 PT

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 04:59 PM

His son posted this just now :laughing:

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 05:07 PM

his trade value goes up

we should trade him for Gerald Wallace or Deng

We need younger feet

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 05:14 PM

His son posted this just now :laughing:

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 05:30 PM

his trade value goes up

we should trade him for Gerald Wallace or Deng

We need younger feet

Gerald Wallace isn't that much younger than MWP and no way we get Deng straight up. Plus, I highly doubt that Brooklyn gives up their quickness for MWP.

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 05:40 PM

Walace hell yeah trade Metta
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Posted November 17, 2012 - 06:02 PM

Gerald Wallace is out right now... Yea lets trade for an Injured player that's smart

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 06:06 PM

Gerald Wallace is out right now... Yea lets trade for an Injured player that's smart

We did it with Dwight. Didn't turn out so bad :cool2:

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 06:07 PM

Agree :cool2: :cool2:
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Posted November 17, 2012 - 06:17 PM

We did it with Dwight. Didn't turn out so bad :cool2:


gerald wallace to mwp isn't the same as andrew bynum to dwight howard.

We also traded an injured player for another injured player we predicted would come back faster.

Not the same. Especially that MWP is playing his best basketball as a laker thus far and is looking good in the offense thus far.

With the way you people talk about him you'd forget he had a great game on both sides of the floor last night.

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 06:20 PM

Expect his to be 0/15 next game thats the MWP i know
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Posted November 17, 2012 - 06:20 PM

metta is still shooting under 40% from the field

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 06:25 PM

Have you guys kept track of his season numbers over the years? Lakers would have to give up a draft pick just for another team to take on his contract.

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Posted November 17, 2012 - 06:45 PM

We also traded an injured player for another injured player we predicted would come back faster.


Uhh, no. In that Dwight Howard topic, you kept saying the Lakers wouldn't and shouldn't trade Bynum for Dwight because of his back issues.

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