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#21 bfc1125roy

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:14 PM

Best we could do is trade Pau for a defensive wing start Hill and have Jamison be the backup 4. I wouldn't mind that at all, actually.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:16 PM

Ron should stay, he ALWAYS plays aggressive whether hot or cold and is an asset to our team. Gasol..... eh....

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:19 PM

Ron should stay, he ALWAYS plays aggressive whether hot or cold and is an asset to our team. Gasol..... eh....

Really? Come on.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:20 PM

Ron should stay, he ALWAYS plays aggressive whether hot or cold and is an asset to our team. Gasol..... eh....


Aggressive doesn't mean anything when you are aggressively making bad plays 75% of the time... I'd rather have a more efficient player on the floor with a passive nature than an aggressive has-been who can't see reality.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:20 PM

Best we could do is trade Pau for a defensive wing start Hill and have Jamison be the backup 4. I wouldn't mind that at all, actually.

I'd be for this.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:21 PM

CDR plz!

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:21 PM

Ron should stay, he ALWAYS plays aggressive whether hot or cold and is an asset to our team. Gasol..... eh....


Isn't it even more of an indictment on Metta that he's this awful despite playing hard every game?

Tired of people defending this guy. He's awful, he can't provide offense on a consistent basis anymore. His defense has eroded to the point where it doesn't make up for that anymore.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:21 PM

Ron should stay, he ALWAYS plays aggressive whether hot or cold and is an asset to our team. Gasol..... eh....

Hes so inconsistent, aggressive my ass. he can't put the ball in the bucket, he possesses no such thing

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:41 PM

Hes so inconsistent, aggressive my ass. he can't put the ball in the bucket, he possesses no such thing


I prefer him being aggressive and always trying to help than being passive and underachieving.

Let's compare it, he's been shooting alright, he's been hot and cold and still scoring in the 10-17 zone which I'm fine with as he's the 4th or 5th scorer in the starting lineup.

I'm more pissed at Gasol who LACKS aggression and can put up 10 points as our teams 3rd and 2nd best scorer. So I'd rather take Metta's aggression for 10-17 than Pau's skill but passiveness netting him 10.

Metta always gives 110% every night and I prefer that every night on our team than having the most skilled big man in the game that gives some effort or barely any.

I'm sure you get what I mean.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:44 PM

I prefer him being aggressive and always trying to help than being passive and underachieving.

Let's compare it, he's been shooting alright, he's been hot and cold and still scoring in the 10-17 zone which I'm fine with as he's the 4th or 5th scorer in the starting lineup.

I'm more pissed at Gasol who LACKS aggression and can put up 10 points as our teams 3rd and 2nd best scorer. So I'd rather take Metta's aggression for 10-17 than Pau's skill but passiveness netting him 10.

Metta always gives 110% every night and I prefer that every night on our team than having the most skilled big man in the game that gives some effort or barely any.

I'm sure you get what I mean.

You don't give 110% and score under 38%

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:44 PM

I hope this topic stays relevant. He's been awful for a long time. Some people have noticed, but I think he still gets too much of a pass.

I don't think you can rely on this guy for anything. He's a terrible shooter most of the time and his decline athletically sometimes makes him a liability even on defense.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:46 PM

Is Ron even an elite defender anymore?

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:46 PM

Ron havent been as bad this year as he was last year. I know, that's not exactly a good argument.

Ron will be a lot better in D'Antonis system, where he will be shooting corner-3s which he is actually good at. Also, we need him when we're up against the elite 3s.

He just needs to know his role.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:50 PM

Idk how anyone can look at his shooting percentages and still defend him???

38% from the field is PATHETIC and he doesn't deserve 35 minutes a game

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:55 PM

Give him a break on his bday. I understand the Lakers fan frustration @time but damn.. He's our Laker player and let's give him a break on his bday.

Plus, Ron always turns in on the second half of the season.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:57 PM

Give him a break on his bday. I understand the Lakers fan frustration @time but damn.. He's our Laker player and let's give him a break on his bday.

Plus, Ron always turns in on the second half of the season.

we don't give him breaks. he's been inconsistent all season.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 10:59 PM

You don't give 110% and score under 38%


Would you rather have an elite post player that shoots 41% barely gives any effort and rarely plays defense despite having ALL the skills in the world?


yeah I'll take the blue collar worker that hits big shots and is working his butt off for every minute that he's in.

I'm much less pissed when Ron misses a shot when he's wide open because I know Pau would have passed it.

Not to mention he probably plays the post more than Pau does.


So like I said I'm an effort lover, and Metta gives 110% effort every night. I get more frustrated watching Pau who has all the skills in the world giving a half effort night.

Ron will always show up no matter what. When he's hot he scores 18 points or so and we look unstoppable, when he's cold he may score 10-15 but we're still formidable and he hits big shots.

Pau on the other hand can go 4/5 in the first quarter and end the game with 10 points shooting maybe 2 shots in the 2nd half on a matchup 5 inches shorter than him. THAT is what bothers me more to be honest.

And fyi the most skilled who is a post player is shooting 41%. Metta whose job is to shoot threes but somehow he plays the post more than Gasol does is shooting 38% most are from three. But from the post he's been good and inside the line he's been good.

He's playing a lot better than last year.

Pau is playing WORSE :P And lack of effort has a lot to do with it.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 11:03 PM

After the Spurs game, he's actually shooting ~36% and ~31% from 3.

He plays hard, but I'd rather have somebody who can actually perform well.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 11:06 PM

After the Spurs game, he's actually shooting ~36% and ~31% from 3.

He plays hard, but I'd rather have somebody who can actually perform well.


We don't look to him for scoring and he's scoring between 10-17 points and plays hard. Regardless of his shooting percentage that's pretty good.

Like I said, the Lakers problems have always been effort.

The consistent effort we get is from Kobe, Dwight, Hill, Metta.

The effort we WANT but rarely get is Gasol.

problem is Metta isn't looked to for scoring but will score 10-17 on his effort, Pau is looked to be an anchor and can put up 10 points eventhough he has the matchup advantage and he'll barely shoot the ball.

I have a bigger problem with THAT than I do with Metta.

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Posted November 13, 2012 - 11:08 PM

We don't look to him for scoring and he's scoring between 10-17 points and plays hard. Regardless of his shooting percentage that's pretty good.

Like I said, the Lakers problems have always been effort.

The consistent effort we get is from Kobe, Dwight, Hill, Metta.

The effort we WANT but rarely get is Gasol.

problem is Metta isn't looked to for scoring but will score 10-17 on his effort, Pau is looked to be an anchor and can put up 10 points eventhough he has the matchup advantage and he'll barely shoot the ball.

I have a bigger problem with THAT than I do with Metta.

IT DOESNT MATTER

Metta is terrible shooting wise, if you can't give effort on shooting then that's too bad. I can't believe youre defending him

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