Ok, here we go.
I argue 10 rpg and 3 apg is pretty good - the rebounding is among the best in the league and the assist is the best among bigs.
You brush it off and say it's close to his career average.
Why is it relevant that it's close to his career average? This isn't a discussion on whether Pau have regressed as a player. That we can all agree on. But in a discussion on whether Pau is a cervicable big man or not it makes more sense to compare him to other big men rather than to his own career numbers.
The only stat you're willing to look at is basically FG% and on that account, you're right. 42% suck ass, but looking at FG% in a vacuum doesn't make a lot of sense either, since you can have a positive impact on the game, while shooting poorly. Therefore i've tried to present other stats, like PER and those on-off-court stats from 82games and you simply ignore it.
Those stats, if you would look at them, show that the team is better with Gasol on the floor rather than off the floor and that he's better as a 5 than a 4. The exception is this year, where we really have been better without Pau. I could present an argument that some of it can be explained by our awesome bench, but you're not happy about explanations. It's a lot simpler just to call it excuses.
There is no coach, stat-head, GM or sports analyst in the world who would call Pau a bad player. Many would call him average but most would call him slightly above average, albeit overpaid and regressing.
What i dont understand, is why it is such a problem to admit that you just dont like him.
Why would you point out Pau Gasol's rebounding averages??? That's pointing out the obvious in a discussion about his regression as a ball player. I'm pointing it out because you act like it's some kind of brilliant addition that he has added to his game. He's averaging 10 a pop this season, 9 last season, 10 the season before, 10 the season before that; I didn't brush off his assist numbers...I said that's what he's always done...big whoop.
Pau Gasol should be more than simply a "serviceable" player. Matter of fact, he's borderline serviceable and that's why he gets ridiculed year in and year out.
FG% is the only stat I'm looking at? Kinda how you harped on Melo's FG%, right? Well see, Melo isn't seven foot tall. What's Pau's excuse? (Give me a fresh excuse this time if you don't mind) But see, unlike you, I'm not just looking at statistics...I'm watching the games. Is there a statistic for his flops, flailing, and overall softness on the court?
Don't give me that vacuum cop-out. I like how people try to dress up their arguments with BS. In what other "vacuum" are we supposed to look at Pau Gasol's FG%? Which has been piss-poor for a long time now? What other "vacuum" would you like to play it in? The NCAA? The WNBA? Ok, he can make a nice pass every now and then...kudos. I'm glad he's here to make a nice pass every now and then and get those much appreciated 3 APG. But I'm sorry, I guess it's too much to ask a 19 million dollar player to do things like seek out rebounds instead of waiting for the ball to fall into his lap, or box out, or stop settling for jumpers, or stop bringing the ball down so low where you're getting stripped, or stop shooting bricks, or stop flopping, maybe play some defense, yeh? Maybe he'd be justified in sabotaging the team over and over and over again if he was only making a mil per year.
Pau does the same thing at the 5 that he does at the 4: NOTHING.
Pau has regressed; he was regressing over three years ago and if he's still regressing...yikes.
What are you talking about? I think it's pretty obvious that I don't like Pau Gasol the player. Does anyone else know him as anything other than Pau Gasol...the player???
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret...
I don't like Pau Gasol because he sucks and he makes my team suck.
Edited by Windu, Today, 12:11 AM.