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#641 Lakers4Life

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 01:38 PM

Misleading or not 12 points and 42%shooting for a 20 million guy is bad... his still playing 39 mins last I checked
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Posted November 18, 2012 - 02:15 PM

Who would we trade him for?

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 02:23 PM

Too many people judge whether or not the Lakers should do this strictly based on Pau's performance. You also have to look at if the Lakers improve by moving him. Although I've been somewhat defending him, the answer is yes.

Regardless of how he's playing, the Lakers have too many needs and he's the only guy that makes sense to move. To me, he could be exactly the same guy that was great during the back to back championships and I'd consider still moving him.

This is a changing league. It's tough to win by being at a big speed disadvantage at 4 positions.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 02:48 PM

^ Right, that's really the reasoning for me making this thread. its not that i don't like pau or think he's a great player; i just think we need a faster team, the being bigger than all just doesn't work like in the past. and he's the only movable(valuable) piece we have that can make us better.


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Posted November 18, 2012 - 02:48 PM

The stats are incredibly misleading when trying to analyze what is really going on here. The fact is that with the emergence of bynum and the new presence of howard, gasol is no longer the second offensive option. Also, the [expletive] is wrong with people? It has only been like nine games. If gasol's numbers are this bad 30 games in, then go ahead and start going crazy. People need to stop being so extreme about everything.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 02:51 PM

It has only been like nine games.


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Posted November 18, 2012 - 02:57 PM

^ Right, pau isn't gonna magically become an elite defender. im more concerned about his inability to defend. one on one or help side. smith can give us 14 & 10 like gasol is giving us with much greater defense.


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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:07 PM

I don't get it. The guy has under-performed for too long and people keep turning their heads because...he's a nice guy?

When Pau gets pwned by Kenneth Faried, Carl Landry, and etc, no one has anything to say. After his first disappearing act in the playoffs: "Let's give him a mulligan", after his second disappearing act in the playoffs: "But but but, he's a nice guy though."

Bottom line is that he's harmful to the team. He's late/slow on rotations (even if he's on time, he's too soft to do anything), he get's out-muscled and out-hustled far too often, He shoots too many jumpers; opposing teams will gladly allow him to do that as opposed to him working closer to the basket WHERE HIS TRUE TALENTS ARE.

You don't pay 20 mil for a 12/10 guy who's shooting 41% from the field; A SEVEN FOOTER shooting 41% from the field...think about that for a moment.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:11 PM

Alright look at the year MWP had last year? due to injuries etc. He worked his butt off in the off season and came into this year playing his best basketball as a Laker and has been a valuable asset.

Pau Gasol went to the darn Olympics, you can't get in much better work and looked like a "beast" and played awesome.

Somehow between the Olympics and the start of the season he got out of shape... how...I have no idea...

So he had to run more etc during the season and get started and has thus far put up his worst seasonal performance as a main guy that he's ever had thus far.

This is the problem people have. Pau Gasol will dive on the floor for the ball in the Olympics yet a few months later comes in out of shape to the season and doesn't show much effort on the court. Like I keep saying, he seems to play like he doesn't want to be traded. And by that I mean he'll play mediocre till he feels pressure to play well, then he has one good game or one good quarter and disappears the rest of the game because he feels safe. Thing is, Mitch is watching him, if he struggles in D'antoni's offense all the excuses evaporate. And that's all people have had for Pau as to why he isn't the 2008 form anymore.

Metta worked his butt off in the off-season and is having his best season in a long time, despite the coach changes, despite being in different offenses, despite all the changes and drama around the area, despite all that Metta is having one of his best years and is outperforming Pau as the 4th/5th freaking option on the team because of Pau's descent.

There is no excuse for why Pau who is the 3rd main guy on this team still should have his shooting percentage drop 10 darn percent. There's just no excuse for it.

Everyone says "Pau's had to play through this and play through that."

Well then how come everyone else has been playing well despite all those things and Pau's game is the only one that took a severe decline? Pau should have been out of excuses last year.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:13 PM

It's hard to defend him this season. He's been terrible on both ends.

But, I at least give him credit for being able to consistently produce during the last 2 seasons, even if he did play horribly during the postseason those 2 seasons.

I think he might be able to turn it around because of that. I just think the Lakers have bigger needs regardless.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:16 PM

My question is this when it comes to Josh Smith and comparing him to Pau.

Could Josh Smith give us 13/10 while shooting 41%?

Yes he could

Could Josh Smith give us better than that?

Yes he could

Would Josh Smith play better help defense?

Yes he would

Is Josh Smith capable of passing the ball?

Yes he is, he's underrated in that aspect of his game.

Would Josh Smith hit the mid range jumper about as often as Pau has this year

Yes he would. Pau is shooting 41% and that is pretty much or more what Smith could give us.

Do we also get an extra shooter for our bench if we got Smith?

Yes we would

Who does this benefit?

Mike D'antoni.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:18 PM

Alright look at the year MWP had last year? due to injuries etc. He worked his butt off in the off season and came into this year playing his best basketball as a Laker and has been a valuable asset.


How is this becoming about MWP again?

He looks better so far this season, but he hasn't consistently produced the last 2 seasons. I don't have as much patience with him because of that.

He doesn't look that much better TBH. He still has awful shooting games and has been exploited on D like the last 2 years.

Edited by Japago, November 18, 2012 - 03:19 PM.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:18 PM

no no no

don't want to see Smith shooting jumpers...EVER

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:19 PM

How is this becoming about MWP again?


lol

I was thinking the same thing. Majesty loves Metta

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:23 PM

How is this becoming about MWP again?

He looks better so far this season, but he hasn't consistently produced the last 2 seasons. I don't have as much patience with him because of that.

He doesn't look that much better TBH. He still has awful shooting games and has been exploited on D like the last 2 years.


You talk about consistency but you're in a thread defending Pau

lol

I was thinking the same thing. Majesty loves Metta


read the above ;) That's the point I'm trying to make

Edited by Majesty, November 18, 2012 - 03:24 PM.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:24 PM

My question is this when it comes to Josh Smith and comparing him to Pau.

Could Josh Smith give us 13/10 while shooting 41%?

Yes he could

Could Josh Smith give us better than that?

Yes he could

Would Josh Smith play better help defense?

Yes he would

Is Josh Smith capable of passing the ball?

Yes he is, he's underrated in that aspect of his game.

Would Josh Smith hit the mid range jumper about as often as Pau has this year

Yes he would. Pau is shooting 41% and that is pretty much or more what Smith could give us.

Do we also get an extra shooter for our bench if we got Smith?

Yes we would

Who does this benefit?

Mike D'antoni.


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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:24 PM

MWP is shooting 38% from the field?
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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:25 PM

You talk about consistency but you're in a thread defending Pau


Consistency over the years. Metta has put up horrible season numbers over the last few years.

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:36 PM

MWP is shooting 38% from the field?


He's a career 40% shooter from the field. He's pretty much on point. Pau is a 51% career shooter and is shooting 41%.

The two aren't the same :laughing:

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Posted November 18, 2012 - 03:40 PM

He's a career 40% shooter from the field. He's pretty much on point.


42%

And he hasn't hit his career mark since '07-'08 when he shot 45% with Sacramento.

He's a career 40% shooter with LA though.

Edited by Windu, November 18, 2012 - 03:41 PM.

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