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[last stand 2.0]

Effects don't make a movie classic.

then why is star wars and it's toddler plot with superficial characters considered a classic.

[Hollywood]

Never understood why ET was a clasic was the most boring movie I have seen.

Probably because in its time, there was nothing else like it and over the years like now especially, if you've just sorta barely seen a movie like that, you wouldn't think of it or value it as much as say someone would back then when there was nothing else comparable nor better graphically so to speak.

[last stand 2.0]

which IMO would fall under special effects, anytime people say star wars revolutionized film it's about what it looked like in its time.

as far as i'm concerned Indiana jones is a superior franchise in every way. though thats going too far off topic. i don't hate star wars, i just hate how it's treated so above other special effects based movies. i think special effects can be an art form in certain ways. it does take a lot of different artistic abilities

[Windu]

then why is star wars and it's toddler plot with superficial characters considered a classic.

whoa whoa whoa

lay off star wars

Star Wars isn't about special effects (definitely not in the "older" films) it's about a story. A damn good story

^ That's crazy. It's considered an absolute classic by most.

solid, but a classic? no

Edited by Windu, October 20, 2012 - 05:21 AM.

[Draztik]

Monica Bellucci is the best thing that ever happened to the Matrix

solid, but a classic? no

Hence why I said 'most'. Obviously you're not a part of that 'most', which always leaves room for debate. Only putting out there what I know. Doesn't mean one opinion is exactly right nor wrong.

[fido]

Thank you Windu.

Also if you weren't alive when the original Star Wars trilogy Was release and you didn't see the fervor and impact it had, you'll never be able to relate to just how immense it is / was.

[last stand 2.0]

Thank you Windu.

Also if you weren't alive when the original Star Wars trilogy an you didn't see the fervor and impact it had, you'll never be able to relate to just how immense it is / was.

That's fine. But In this decade now, when movies have to prove the test of time, Indiana jones wins IMO, every time.

[fido]

Movies have always had to prove the test of time.

I really have no idea what you're on about.

[Windu]

I love the Indiana Jones franchise too (minus the last one of course)

last stand seems to have a pattern of enjoying "realistic" movies moreso than anything else (tdkr > avengers, indiana jones > star wars)

Edited by Windu, October 20, 2012 - 03:50 PM.

[fido]

Ah! O.K.

However, the Indiana Jones movies, all of them, are anything but realistic.

[Windu]

as realistic as fictional movies can be...hence my quotations

I'm sure most would agree that some rich billionaire being a vigilante is more "realistic" than a group of superhumans battling a god. Likewise, an archaeologist is more realistic than Jedi/Sith

[last stand 2.0]

Movies have always had to prove the test of time.

I really have no idea what you're on about.

I meant those particular movies decades later. Can't stand the test of time without time passing. I'm speaking to those movies and how they've stacked up with time

[last stand 2.0]

I love the Indiana Jones franchise too (minus the last one of course)

last stand seems to have a pattern of enjoying "realistic" movies moreso than anything else (tdkr > avengers, indiana jones > stars)

Depends. I personally think han solo is the only redeemable character in star wars and to some extent Princess leia

The rest of the characters are so superficial, their motives so obvious

There is no complexity to any of the characters until return of the Jedi where in the last 20 min or so darth vader actually becomes a human character.

Just not much of a fan. I enjoy sci fi movies as well. Yes I gravitate more to realistic movies but I loved avengers and 2009 star trek.

It just annoys me that star wars is on this pedestal as though it was high art or something when really it was a basic story with ground breaking special effects for its time that made it a classic.

[TKainZero]

I came to read about the matrix...

But instead...
I shall read about Star Wars Vs Indiana Jones...

Which makes me think of the South Park episode where Steven Speilberg and George Lucas rape indiana jones...

[fido]

Yeah last stand you are big time wrong on this one, but everyone has their own opinions.

Yeah I gotcha Windu. I know it's as realistic as it could be. I actually got into a debate with someone who liked the third Indy because the other ones were "so fake". Just found that hilarious.

[last stand 2.0]

Yeah last stand you are big time wrong on this one, but everyone has their own opinions.

Yeah I gotcha Windu. I know it's as realistic as it could be. I actually got into a debate with someone who liked the third Indy because the other ones were "so fake". Just found that hilarious.

Raiders is easily the most realistic, as realistic as something about the ark of the covenant can be. though in some ways last crusade is my favorite. i like the ending sequence of him going through the trials.

on Star Wars i understand its not a popular opinion, but there just really is no depth to any of the characters outside of han solo and leia.

everyone has obvious motives, and incredibly archetypal

[fido]

Just like Indiana jones.

They're popcorn movies and all very similar.

Anyway, yeah back to The Matrix and that whole mess.