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#41 Saber

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Posted October 11, 2012 - 02:21 AM

I swear the coach and the backup PG are still our weakest points ..


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Posted October 11, 2012 - 05:15 AM

your wrong Ebanks should be his primary backup. we need that length, athleticism, & youth as a backup for Kobe who can play solid defense & its clear he has been working on his jumper. Meeks is limited in his upside compared to Ebanks. Meeks needs to focus on being a specialist at catch and shoot from corner 3 & top of the key 3 & be ready to defend PGs & SGs.
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Posted October 11, 2012 - 08:06 AM

You can't be [expletive]ing serious...

Did he start smoking the weed they give to terminal patients or what?

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Posted October 11, 2012 - 08:31 AM

You can't be [expletive]ing serious...

Did he start smoking the weed they give to terminal patients or what?

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Posted October 11, 2012 - 08:43 AM

:facepalm:


Oh mah gawd he said 'terminal patients' let me face palm because I don't get a joke.

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Posted October 11, 2012 - 09:08 AM

Oh mah gawd he said 'terminal patients' let me face palm because I don't get a joke.

Nah....its your ignorance on marijuana.

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Posted October 11, 2012 - 10:01 AM

Nah....its your ignorance on marijuana.


My ignorance on 'marijuana'? :laughing:

What about your ignorance on 'marijuana'?

You sure you know enough about Cannabis (Sativa, Indica, Rudaralis) to go there with me?

I'm a horticulturist, when I was in So Cali I used to supply many coops, I'm also an Oaksterdam graduate.

It was a joke man, and a joke about something you obviously know nothing of.

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Posted October 11, 2012 - 10:12 AM

My ignorance on 'marijuana'? :laughing:

What about your ignorance on 'marijuana'?

You sure you know enough about Cannabis (Sativa, Indica, Rudaralis) to go there with me?

I'm a horticulturist, when I was in So Cali I used to supply many coops, I'm also an Oaksterdam graduate.

It was a joke man, and a joke about something you obviously know nothing of.

Sure you are :rolleyes:

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Posted October 11, 2012 - 10:45 AM

Sure you are :rolleyes:


I'll discuss this with you further later in private, no need to piss off mods or people by further derailing the topic.

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Posted November 05, 2012 - 09:03 AM

:laughing: at his explanation. HOW ABOUT PLAYING YOUR BEST PLAYERS AT THEIR RIGHT POSITIONS CONTINUOUSLY BEFORE CHOOSING OTHER OPTIONS. He forced Glock to play like a PG instead of his natural game and now hes forcing Ebanks to play SG when hes a SF (and he laid an egg going 0/6) and Jamison to play SF all the time. Wake up, come on, this is getting ridiculous

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Why isn't Jodie Meeks playing more? Mike Brown explains ...

"I’ve tried to take a look at everybody," Mike Brown said before the Lakers played the Pistons on Sunday. "And right now, off the bench, I’m going to try to bring Metta and Dwight back, or keep either Pau or Dwight with our starting group most of the time and try to get Metta back with that group too. And then I want to give Jamison a long look out on the floor and I like the way that Jordan Hill has played at the power forward from time to time with his size and his energy and what he’s done for us last year and so, what it has come down to is basically Meeks and Ebanks.

"There’s still not a whole lot of minutes there. There could be a lot of minutes. It’s going to basically be a night-to-night type deal, but right now it’s Ebanks. What I need to do is I need to let it flow for a little bit. This is the first time in consecutive games that I’m, for the most part, going to go with the same rotation or the same group of guys consecutively. I hadn’t done it all preseason, I hadn’t done it so far in the regular season and I need to start doing it. Even if they don’t play well, I need to do it for a few games in a row to see if we can try to get a rhythm."

Then again, if the Lakers keep blowing Detroit out (they're up by 23 points in the second quarter as I write this) then Meeks should see some court time Sunday.


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Posted November 05, 2012 - 09:05 AM

Mile brown doesn't know how to make substitutions. What else is new. This has and apparently will always be my biggest issue with him
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Posted November 05, 2012 - 11:51 AM

This is the first time in consecutive games that I’m, for the most part, going to go with the same rotation or the same group of guys consecutively. I hadn’t done it all preseason, I hadn’t done it so far in the regular season and I need to start doing it. Even if they don’t play well, I need to do it for a few games in a row to see if we can try to get a rhythm."


Nice to see, but the real reason I think Ebanks is getting minutes over Meeks was the trailblazers game, I'll quote what I said in the Jodie Meeks thread

Somehow I get the feeling that Meeks absense has to do with the Trailblazers game and what is making Brown give the backup 2 minutes to Ebanks is because of the horrid defense Meeks showed against the Trailblazers, we forget it was his and Duhon's man that burned them on that 13-0 run and it was Meeks' guy that ended the run with the score at the end of the 3rd.

That was probably enough to get Brown to give those minutes to Ebanks because of his defense and size with the way Meeks was getting burned defensively during that 13-0 run I can see why Brown would make that decision to go with a "tall" lineup for the bench unit.



brown has always been a defense first kinda guy. If Meeks is part of the reason the team gets burned on a 13-0 run when he comes off the bench then Brown is obviously gonna play Ebanks in front of him for size athleticism and defensive purposes. It's a shame yeah, but it's understandable. Now that we actually got a lineup going as long as our players stay healthy Brown can start twerking with the bench, if we keep winning by 30 he can do whatever he wants :laughing:

P.S. It's funny how people love to mention Brown is a "defensive" coach to bash him, yet act shocked when he picks a 6-9 athletic tweener to play the 2 over Meeks who was part of a 13-0 run by the Trailblazers when Brown bought him in defensively. It's not hard to figure out why Ebanks is getting time right now.

Brown DOES play Ebanks at the 3 when Kobe is the guy that's in there with the bench unit though. But Brown has seemed to have lost faith in Meeks defense after that 13-0 run by the trailblazers where his man burned him each time. Which is a shame but as I said, it's understandable why Brown is running a big lineup right now.

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Posted November 05, 2012 - 12:00 PM

Can we just rename every topic "fire Mike Brown" because that's all anybody talks about...

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Posted November 05, 2012 - 03:04 PM

I like Ebank idk about playing the 2 though but if he can hit that 3 ball efficiently than I don't mind it but he has to work on his ball handling skills

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Posted November 05, 2012 - 03:19 PM

No this is not understandable. We signed a guaranteed contract for Meeks to mend point shooting woes. If we are not gonna play him, why the [expletive] did we sign him in the first place? Ebanks hasn't shown anything other than that pre-season game. We need someone to spread the floor which works well playing alongside Dwight. TBH our bench is as terrible as last year, mainly because of Brown's absurd rotations.

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Posted November 05, 2012 - 03:35 PM

Ebanks looked awful yesterday. Wide open layup, but so slow he gets blocked.

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Posted November 05, 2012 - 06:23 PM

Not buying his excuse. Ebanks at the 2 because of his defense? Ebanks doesn't even play good defense, let alone him trying to guard a smaller, faster 2 guard! Neither Meeks or Ebanks can play decent defense, the difference is that Meeks can actually stretch the floor. So out of the two guys that don't play good defense, I'll at least take the guy that can hit the 3 ball.

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Posted November 05, 2012 - 09:25 PM

Nice to see, but the real reason I think Ebanks is getting minutes over Meeks was the trailblazers game, I'll quote what I said in the Jodie Meeks thread




brown has always been a defense first kinda guy. If Meeks is part of the reason the team gets burned on a 13-0 run when he comes off the bench then Brown is obviously gonna play Ebanks in front of him for size athleticism and defensive purposes. It's a shame yeah, but it's understandable. Now that we actually got a lineup going as long as our players stay healthy Brown can start twerking with the bench, if we keep winning by 30 he can do whatever he wants :laughing:

P.S. It's funny how people love to mention Brown is a "defensive" coach to bash him, yet act shocked when he picks a 6-9 athletic tweener to play the 2 over Meeks who was part of a 13-0 run by the Trailblazers when Brown bought him in defensively. It's not hard to figure out why Ebanks is getting time right now.

Brown DOES play Ebanks at the 3 when Kobe is the guy that's in there with the bench unit though. But Brown has seemed to have lost faith in Meeks defense after that 13-0 run by the trailblazers where his man burned him each time. Which is a shame but as I said, it's understandable why Brown is running a big lineup right now.


So he's punishing Meeks for one game of subpar play? That makes no sense considering its very early in the season and no one has been particularly stout defensively, especially Ebanks. When did Ebanks transform into Scottie Pippen? Ebanks is as much of a liability as Meeks. Eubanks defensive prowless is severely overrated. He's slow laterally and isn't strong at all. Everyone mentions his athleticism but I don't see it. He has length and that's it. Now maybe he's wooing Brownie in practice but when I see him in games and watch him, he is constantly getting beaten to spots on the floor and out-hustled for 50/50 balls and rebounds. At least with Meeks, I can live with his deficiencies defensively because he can knock down open shots at a reasonable clip. Ebanks provides nothing offensively. He not a consistent enough shooter to be trusted with extended minutes at the 2. If Meeks' bad play vs Portland was is enough to get him demoted, so should Ebanks' bad play versus the Pistons. He looked awful and its very clear, he can't guard 2s. Guys like Ebanks and Morris are D-League level talent. I don't care if they have a good play here or there, the more time they spend on the floor, the more harm they do. Them being primary back-ups on a team with championship aspirations does not pass the eye test, not for a second. It's a reason Detroit went on a run as soon as Brownie sat the entire starting unit....there is no offense or defense with them on the floor. It's painful to watch them commit turnovers and throw up awkward-looking shots because they can't handle simple defensive pressure without telegraphing passes or picking up there dribble in fear. And its clear, Brown doesn't have a clue about rotations or where guys fit best when they're on the floor, they look lost and scared to make a play half the time. This is the same guy who played Morris and Blake in the backcourt TOGETHER, for match-up purposes. But I thought Ebanks was 'his guy' at the 2 off the bench for his defense though? It doesn't make sense.

Edited by Magic Bryant, November 05, 2012 - 09:33 PM.


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Posted November 05, 2012 - 11:04 PM

If there is one thing that is definitely not the identity of the bench, it's a defensive unit.

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Posted November 06, 2012 - 05:59 PM

HAHAHAHA

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Metta World Peace will get minutes at shooting guard, Lakers Coach Mike Brown said.

"That's going to be my second unit," said Brown. "Metta will be the two, [Antawn] Jamison is the three, [Jordan] Hill is the four and [Dwight] Howard or Pau [Gasol] is going to be the five."


Brown experimented on Sunday against the Detroit Pistons with a lineup featuring Howard at center and Darius Morris running the point along with Hill, Jamison and World Peace.

In their second-quarter run of about three minutes, the group was able to extend the Lakers' lead from 18 to 21.

Devin Ebanks will remain in the rotation at shooting guard and small forward, as Brown looks for minutes to rest both Kobe Bryant and World Peace. For now, Jodie Meeks and veteran Chris Duhon, are unlikely to get significant minutes.

"I've got to give my bench a chance, because right now I really haven't. I've been messing around with it too much trying to search for combinations," said Brown. "Now that I've found a combination that I think I want to roll with it a little bit, let's give them a chance to see how they play before making another change."

The Lakers as a team have been shooting well this season, diminishing the need for another scorer like Meeks. Now Brown is looking for his squad to improve defensively.

With the 6-foot-7 World Peace at shooting guard, the Lakers will have a sizable lineup featuring Morris (6-4), Jamison (6-9), Hill (6-10) and Howard (6-11). When Gasol (7 feet) rotates in instead of Howard, the Lakers are even taller.

The Lakers started the season 0-3 but finally got their first win over the struggling Detroit Pistons. They may have a bigger challenge on Wednesday night against the Utah Jazz.


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