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ESPN First Take: Biggest Top Ten Snub In NBA Player Rankings


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#1 LALakersFan4Life

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 09:02 AM



Skip, what are you on? Dirk is not a top 10 player today? Melo is ahead of Dirk? I agree with Stephen A.'s reply to that. And Drew is better than Dirk?! :yeahright:

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 10:09 AM

How is Blake Griffin better than Pau Gasol :|

Also, Rondo is a top ten player.

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 12:10 PM

Cant we just make everyone number 1 and instead of championships and keeping score we just give out participation awards.

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 12:13 PM

griffin at 14 is a disgrace !

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 12:22 PM

To touch on what Skip said...well, I'm sorry, but Drew is not a top 10 player in the league. If you're top 10, you're a primary scoring option. Drew wasn't.

Now, maybe after this season, in Philly, we can consider it...but based on what he did last season, he's not in that ten.

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 12:25 PM

To touch on what Skip said...well, I'm sorry, but Drew is not a top 10 player in the league. If you're top 10, you're a primary scoring option. Drew wasn't.

Now, maybe after this season, in Philly, we can consider it...but based on what he did last season, he's not in that ten.

I agree he's not a top 10 but by that assumption howard(after this season) or wade wouldnt be in the top 10.

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 02:03 PM

griffin at 14 is a disgrace !


I think a lot of people docked him points for his flopping...

Big men should not flop...

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 03:34 PM

I agree he's not a top 10 but by that assumption howard(after this season) or wade wouldnt be in the top 10.


Not necessarily. Kobe/Shaq were top 10 at some point, for example. Both were capable of holding their own, but together they were unstoppable. Similarly, Howard has shown us he's capable of being a primary offensive and defensive option that can lead his team of scrubs to the finals. Bynum has not demonstrated anything of the kind, however, and his tendencies as a player as well as his short tenure as a primary option don't provide any evidence that he can be a primary option on a contending team.

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 03:49 PM

I agree he's not a top 10 but by that assumption howard(after this season) or wade wouldnt be in the top 10.

Well, Wade (and Howard, this season) are primary scoring options on any given night, and can be throughout an entire season. They can have an offense ran through them.

We ran our offense through the post last season, here and there, and it failed miserably. Drew was rarely the primary option, even when we needed him to be (when Kobe was having bad games, or when he missed or was sitting the bench). Big difference between Wade (who is co-Batman every now and then) and Drew (who wasn't even Robin).

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 05:23 PM

I actually think ESPN's 10 are the right ones, so I don't think anybody got snubbed.

Pau really shouldn't still be top 15 though. I don't think he's top 20 right now.

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 06:58 PM

Well, Wade (and Howard, this season) are primary scoring options on any given night, and can be throughout an entire season. They can have an offense ran through them.

We ran our offense through the post last season, here and there, and it failed miserably. Drew was rarely the primary option, even when we needed him to be (when Kobe was having bad games, or when he missed or was sitting the bench). Big difference between Wade (who is co-Batman every now and then) and Drew (who wasn't even Robin).

ahh ok I thought you meant you had to be the number 1 option all the time. But yea I understand what your saying.

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 11:11 PM

Griffin dunks with power that's it.

How that makes him in the top 20 players in the league is completely beyond me. All flash, no substance.

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Posted September 26, 2012 - 11:13 PM

Griffin dunks with power that's it.

How that makes him in the top 20 players in the league is completely beyond me. All flash, no substance.


Considering the rankings are coming from a network that plays his dunks over and over and over and over and over and over again, is it a surprise they have him in the top?

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Posted September 27, 2012 - 01:05 AM

Fun facts...

3 players averaged 20 and 10 last season. Kevin Love, Dwight Howard, and Blake Griffin.

Has averages of 22/12/3 in his first 2 seasons in the league. Last modern day big man to post better (or similar) numbers was Tim Duncan.

Great rebounder. One of the strongest players and finishers in the league. Top 3 athlete in the entire league. One of three elite bigs in the entire league to average more than 3 assists per game as well, the other 2 being the Gasols.

Yes, there are flaws in his game, but don't ignore everything else the guy does...
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Posted September 27, 2012 - 05:23 AM

Fun facts...

3 players averaged 20 and 10 last season. Kevin Love, Dwight Howard, and Blake Griffin.

Has averages of 22/12/3 in his first 2 seasons in the league. Last modern day big man to post better (or similar) numbers was Tim Duncan.

Great rebounder. One of the strongest players and finishers in the league. Top 3 athlete in the entire league. One of three elite bigs in the entire league to average more than 3 assists per game as well, the other 2 being the Gasols.

Yes, there are flaws in his game, but don't ignore everything else the guy does...


Yea I think people confuse Blake Griffins lack of skills as a him not being a good player. Sure the kid doesnt have a go to post move or an array or offensive weapons, but he is really good at what he does. After like I said he is a kid and still is getting better, he has put up some very good numbers in his two years here in the league.

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Posted September 27, 2012 - 07:17 AM

Tim Duncan did all of that and could also play defense and run an offense through him

Griffin isn't a bad player but he's essentially a young amare Stoudemire. Similar stat line though griffin is a better rebounder than amare was but amare was a better scorer
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Posted September 27, 2012 - 08:31 AM

Tim Duncan did all of that and could also play defense and run an offense through him

Griffin isn't a bad player but he's essentially a young amare Stoudemire. Similar stat line though griffin is a better rebounder than amare was but amare was a better scorer


This. Griffin is no Duncan.

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Posted September 27, 2012 - 10:14 AM



Skip, what are you on? Dirk is not a top 10 player today? Melo is ahead of Dirk? I agree with Stephen A.'s reply to that. And Drew is better than Dirk?! :yeahright:

What are you talking about? :laughing:

Drew is WAY better than Dirk. He is a terrific defender while Dirk can't defend a chair. He is a far better rebounder. Drew averaged over 11 a game while Dirk averaged less than 8 a game. Drew is also far more efficient. He has a higher PER and shoots nearly 10 percent points better.
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Posted September 27, 2012 - 10:26 AM

Call me crazy, but a complete lack of a skills (as said above) or any contribution the defensive end (a.k.a 50% of the game) means that the player is overrated.

Griffin is and has been overrated. Duncan in his prime would absolutely destroy Griffin in his prime. I would rather take a skilled PF (like Pau) over a highlight show with no regard to defense any day of the year.

And no I'm not surprised that in a basketball culture fixated on dunks (the easiest and most most meaningless part of the game) that Griffin gets attention. It just speaks to the dumbing down on basketball knowledge in general.

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Posted September 27, 2012 - 11:10 AM

I hate it when people use that Tim duncan stay to justify why griffin is elite. Tim Duncan came into the league and could literally orchestrate an offense through him and had post moves for days

Duncan is the 1 player id consider on Kobe's level from this past era. Just like how Dwight And rose will be the only guys who are really on lebrons level

I know there is shaq but Duncan had an elite work ethic, and was a perfect teammate. Something shaq was neither of.
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