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#1 GCMD

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Posted October 21, 2008 - 10:15 PM

Of course, Phil was going to choose offense over defense...DUH. Who couldn't see that coming. While Vlad isn't a turn-stile or matador (imho), he's no DPOY-candidate either.

While Ariza may be the second best individual perimeter defender on the team, he's DEFINITELY not a boon to the triangle.


Phil chose...he had to.


With Posey, Phil would have had an option that not only fit the offense (shooter / slasher), he would have had a defensive player to rival Kobe in toughness and defensive prowess on the perimeter. He would have had the vet experience / CHAMPIONSHIP experience he loves and a young athletic guy who can compete with anyone in the league for at least the next 3 years.


There was a faction of Laker fans who wanted Posey BADLY...of course, that would have EXACERBATED the logjam at 3 but that would have been a problem of TOO MUCH talent, not a bad thing.


I just can't believe we let a PERFECT fit slip thru our fingers. He epitomizes everything we LACKED in the Finals, yet, we didn't add him for the MLE???

IMHO, Vlad is decent. Ariza is an un-proven entity but has loads of upside. At their best, we still have a drop off at one end of the court when either goes out at 3. That proves (at least in my mind, it proves) that Posey was that missing link that we will live to regret not scooping up.

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Posted October 21, 2008 - 10:22 PM

There was a contingent of players that wanted posey but I think there a bigger contingent that Ariza will take over. However, I would have taken Posey for his MLE considering that he is much a more physical defender against the likes of Paul Pierce.

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Posted October 21, 2008 - 10:24 PM

You think that we didn't try to pursue him?

And it's not like this guy is going to guarantee us a championship, we have a lot of players that can play the 3 spot at a high level so there isn't anything to regret.

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Posted October 21, 2008 - 10:28 PM

You think that we didn't try to pursue him?

And it's not like this guy is going to guarantee us a championship, we have a lot of players that can play the 3 spot at a high level so there isn't anything to regret.


I'll take Posey over Vlad, Ariza and Luke any day of the week

he was the difference maker in 2 different championship runs

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Posted October 21, 2008 - 10:38 PM

i wouldve taken posey for the MLE:
lets see our SF's vs posey

1) shoot the 3 ball - kobe, vlad, posey
2) tough physical one on one defense - kobe, posey
3) speedy perimeter defender for rotations - ariza, kobe, posey
4) good at slashing - kobe, LO, ariza, posey
5) comes at a cheap pricetag - ariza, vlad, luke, posey
6) good passing - kobe, LO, vlad, luke, posey
7) knows the triangle - kobe, LO, vlad, luke, ariza
8) has veteran championship experience - kobe, posey
9) high bball IQ - kobe, luke ....posey is questionable???
10) clutchness - kobe, posey

out of all those skills, posey lacks one maybe 2 of them and the important one is triangle experience but basically thats it, but we have too many SF's, we would have NEEDED to get rid of one or two fo them for us to get him because thats just luxury tax for buss
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Posted October 21, 2008 - 10:48 PM

1. Why would Posey sign with the Lakers when we already have Odom, Walton, Ariza, and Vlad?

2. Why would he take a paycut when he played very good in the playoffs?

The Lakers never had a chance to sign Posey... he wanted the full MLE and he wanted a chance to compete for a starting spot on a contender.

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Posted October 21, 2008 - 11:04 PM

1. Why would Posey sign with the Lakers when we already have Odom, Walton, Ariza, and Vlad?

2. Why would he take a paycut when he played very good in the playoffs?

The Lakers never had a chance to sign Posey... he wanted the full MLE and he wanted a chance to compete for a starting spot on a contender.



1. He would have started over ALL of them? "Not LO"? Tell that to Vlad...and yes, Posey would have beaten Vlad out for the starting spot based on the combination of his shooting AND defense...both things he's MUCH better than LO at...and he's better than Ariza at BOTH also. Walton? Yeah right.

2. Pay cut? Our MLE is the same as NOH's MLE. Did you forget about that? That's all he got. We had it to offer.



The Lakers DEFINITELY had a chance at Posey. We were one of the TOP teams on his SHORT list. We had the MLE and that's what he was asking for.

Do you need some sleep Nissan? I know how us old folks get with no rest.... :lol:

Edited by GCMD, October 21, 2008 - 11:05 PM.


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Posted October 21, 2008 - 11:10 PM

i wouldve taken posey for the MLE:
lets see our SF's vs posey

1) shoot the 3 ball - kobe, vlad, posey
2) tough physical one on one defense - kobe, posey
3) speedy perimeter defender for rotations - ariza, kobe, posey
4) good at slashing - kobe, LO, ariza, posey
5) comes at a cheap pricetag - ariza, vlad, luke, posey
6) good passing - kobe, LO, vlad, luke, posey
7) knows the triangle - kobe, LO, vlad, luke, ariza
8) has veteran championship experience - kobe, posey
9) high bball IQ - kobe, luke ....posey is questionable???
10) clutchness - kobe, posey

out of all those skills, posey lacks one maybe 2 of them and the important one is triangle experience but basically thats it, but we have too many SF's, we would have NEEDED to get rid of one or two fo them for us to get him because thats just luxury tax for buss



Posey playing well in the starting unit with Ariza or Vlad backing him up would have given us OODLES of trade options.

First, it would have made LO expendable and with his huge contract, he could have facilitated moving Walton, based on taking back only picks or another expiring contract...NYK would have jumped all over it, trading Steph/filler for:

LO/Ariza/Walton
LO/Vlad/Walton
LO/Walton

Lux tax? With LO and Ariza coming off the books this summer? It would have dropped 18 mil right there.

And just imagine the TV and playoff revenue? I'm sure he'd have made a profit with a MUCH better team.

Edited by GCMD, October 21, 2008 - 11:11 PM.


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Posted October 21, 2008 - 11:24 PM

1. He would have started over ALL of them? "Not LO"? Tell that to Vlad...and yes, Posey would have beaten Vlad out for the starting spot based on the combination of his shooting AND defense...both things he's MUCH better than LO at...and he's better than Ariza at BOTH also. Walton? Yeah right.

2. Pay cut? Our MLE is the same as NOH's MLE. Did you forget about that? That's all he got. We had it to offer.



The Lakers DEFINITELY had a chance at Posey. We were one of the TOP teams on his SHORT list. We had the MLE and that's what he was asking for.

Do you need some sleep Nissan? I know how us old folks get with no rest.... :lol:

We don't need 5 SFs on the team when we still have other needs on the team. Vlad might be starting at SF this year, but Odom is still going to play more minutes than him and any other SF on the team. Odom is going to play over 30 minutes off the bench. Posey might have started at SF, but he wouldn't be getting minutes likes he's going to get with the Hornets. Phil is still going to give Luke, Vlad, Ariza, and Odom minutes at SF.

I said pay cut because the Lakers weren't going to give him 4 years, $25 million like he got from the Hornets. Let's look at the situations...

Lakers: He won't get the full MLE for 4 years and he still needs to compete with Ariza, Vlad, Luke, and Odom for minutes.

Hornets: Get the full MLE for 4 years and play over 30 minutes off the bench.

The Lakers really didn't have a chance to sign him. lol.

LO is not expendable because Bynum is still not 100% healthy. :rock:

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Posted October 22, 2008 - 12:48 AM

I won't be surprised if he somehow pull a Boris Diaw and disappears to oblivion... he was playing for a longterm contract...

Besides we have way too many SFs...

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Posted October 22, 2008 - 02:27 AM

We don't need 5 SFs on the team when we still have other needs on the team.


No...but a perfect fit beats a logjam everyday. With Posey, the backups would do what the starters (at SF) are currently doing: Be SPECIALISTS.

Vlad might be starting at SF this year, but Odom is still going to play more minutes than him and any other SF on the team.


No. He'll get the bulk of his mintues at backup PF...if Vlad is starting, Ariza will back him up.

Missed ALL of the preseason, have we?

Odom is going to play over 30 minutes off the bench.


Not at SF.

Posey might have started at SF, but he wouldn't be getting minutes likes he's going to get with the Hornets.


If he provided comparable shooting to Vlad, comparable defense to Ariza, what on EARTH makes you think Phil would give EITHER more minutes?

Phil is still going to give Luke, Vlad, Ariza, and Odom minutes at SF.


Phil will only give minutes to the player(s) that deserve them. If the offense is purring with Posey in there, only time he'd sit is when he needed a breather...

Phil doesn't care about being fair when it comes to the offense.

I said pay cut because the Lakers weren't going to give him 4 years, $25 million like he got from the Hornets.


Didn't, but should have. 2 way player for LESS than they got Vlad? Almost 3 times LESS than LO?

Saying that only makes the Laker Front Office look dumb...does not validate your point.

Let's look at the situations...

Lakers: He won't get the full MLE for 4 years and he still needs to compete with Ariza, Vlad, Luke, and Odom for minutes.


Didn't doesn't mean shouldn't have...he would have beat all of them out and would have been a better LONGTERM solution than LO at half of LO's asking price for next year...

Hornets: Get the full MLE for 4 years and play over 30 minutes off the bench.


Which is what he COULD have (and IMHO, WOULD HAVE) done with LAL...and with Kobe/Pau/Bynum on the roster, he would have had a MUCH BETTER team to start with.

The Lakers really didn't have a chance to sign him. lol.


You mean, that whole 2 WEEKS before he signed with NOH, LAL had NO CHANCE to sign him?

In spite of his agent coming out expressing interest in joining the Lakers for the MLE?

Naw, old man. We had a chance...chose not to.

LO is not expendable because Bynum is still not 100% healthy. :rock:


LO is not insurance for Bynum. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. With LO, we may (emphasis on MAY) get back to the WCF and we MAY get back to the Finals but there is nothing to suggest that we'd fare any better.

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Posey would have made LO (and the rest of the SFs on this team) expendable...but don't listen to me. One day, someone will come along and say the same things I'm saying now...

Just like 4 years ago and the things I said in reference to LO...I'm not psychic but I do own a common sense crystal ball...

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Posted October 22, 2008 - 11:43 AM

Artest is the perfect fit for the triangle, not Posey. :)

I know LO is going to play PF with the 2nd unit.... he looks good playing with the 2nd unit.

Trading LO right now is one the of the dumbest ideas... you can't trade him right now because Bynum is not healthy. LO is our insurance policy if Bynum or Gasol get injured.

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Posted October 22, 2008 - 11:56 AM

Posey is a good defender, a solid 3-point shooter and an intangibles guy that makes great teams even better.

However he is also old, overrated and the Hornets will regret the back end of that contract once Posey declines into 2007-08 Robert Horry. He would've been redundant on our team, which has younger guys who can do what he does (and potentially improve into even better players).

I'm glad we didn't sign him.

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Posted October 22, 2008 - 01:11 PM

I agree that Posey would have been a great addition. But, I think even if we did get Posey the team would had to be reshuffled because having 5 SF's on the team is not going to get it done; someone (Walton or Vlad) would have to be moved because they'd be on the bench for extended periods of time (which would be fine for our depth but would lead to some disgruntled players.) I dont know if management wanted to shake up the team after the great season we had last year - and the vast improvement of this year's team, which in all likeliness would take us back to the top.

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Posted October 22, 2008 - 02:29 PM

Watching Vlad make so many foolish mistakes yesterday, there's no doubt Posey would of been better. But we would of needed to trade Vlade first or Luke.
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Posted October 22, 2008 - 02:37 PM

Why look back?
Let's look forward to what this team can do,
and it's definitely limitless.


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Posted October 22, 2008 - 02:46 PM

After some ill-advised decision with the MLE, I think he Lakers have gotten gun shy on spending it.

Posey would've been nice, but not having him isn't going to keep the Lakers fro their goal.

Besides, Artest is unrestricted next summer and will flee Houston for L.A. and the starting 3-spot.

For now, the Lakers are alright. Again, Posey would've been a great addition, but its not as deal killer.

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Posted October 22, 2008 - 04:45 PM

panicky fans of Laker nation, never say anyone from that team will be a Laker savior. We cant sign every good available player, yeah posey is good but trevor hasnt had the trouble Posey has, he's super fast and effect at getting to the basket, he's from LA and understands what being a Laker means. Jerry Buss needs to make a profit from a BUSINESS, vlad rad is younger and we have a very good squad, so be easy
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Posted October 23, 2008 - 01:48 AM

After some ill-advised decision with the MLE, I think he Lakers have gotten gun shy on spending it.

Posey would've been nice, but not having him isn't going to keep the Lakers fro their goal.

Besides, Artest is unrestricted next summer and will flee Houston for L.A. and the starting 3-spot.

For now, the Lakers are alright. Again, Posey would've been a great addition, but its not as deal killer.



Artest? He's a better defender and a better scorer but I don't think he'll fit the triangle as well as Posey would have.

Not having Posey doesn't drop us out of the playoff race but it exemplifies the non-chalant attitude that the Front Office sometimes has towards attacking deficiencies or weaknesses.

In the Finals, it was OBVIOUS what we lacked. Toughness, perimeter defense, 2-way player on the starting unit capable of playing OFF Kobe and Gasol. We didn't have any ENFORCERS in the starting unit...other than Kobe and he's WAYYYY too valuable to be out there laying hits on people.


The same guy who was all of that for the guys that BEAT US wants to JOIN US...and we act like it's not a big deal?

That's annoying. Forget the logjam. We could have moved a player or cut a player to make room for a legit 2-way. Make the rest of the guys work to earn their spot. All we need is 2. Prepare deals for the others.

Starters should be 2-ways. While I like Vlad in the starting unit more than Ariza OR Lamar, I still think we could do better. Vlad would be the super-sub specialist we could plug in when we needed to. That's more of his role. But right now, he's the best option we have. Posey would have easily taken that spot from anyone on the roster today.

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Posted October 23, 2008 - 01:54 AM

panicky fans of Laker nation, never say anyone from that team will be a Laker savior. We cant sign every good available player, yeah posey is good but trevor hasnt had the trouble Posey has, he's super fast and effect at getting to the basket, he's from LA and understands what being a Laker means. Jerry Buss needs to make a profit from a BUSINESS, vlad rad is younger and we have a very good squad, so be easy



Spoken like someone who paid no attention to anything in the original post...

Why doesn't LO or Ariza start? Vlad is a better shooter.
What is a glaring need for our perimeter core? Defense.

Posey = shooter + DEFENSE.
Posey = MLE = cheaper than LO or Vlad and better fit than either.


LO = Last Year.
Ariza = Last year.

LO+Ariza = ability to get young player on rookie contract AND expiring contract.


Add all that up and you get = Good Move.




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