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#21 Jackson

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Posted May 12, 2012 - 01:06 AM

Jerry West was right. Two dominant bigs just don't work together. Especially when your SG demands the ball more than them. More than often their minds will check out because they think they are hot [expletive], this is specifically for Bynum who thinks he should be acknowledged since he had a healthy season. The whole attitude is based on that. Well guess what Bynum, you left your team in first 4 games because of selfish reasons, because of you Lakers lost 2 games against Houston, had to fight without you, because of your selfish reasons. At this point though, I won't say keep one and send the other. Whoever stays will feel like threatened, and won't have any support. So I say ship'em both.

Jerry Buss, Jim, and Mitch probably had talked this before. Who do we go after Kobe? Can Bynum really carry this team? Well can he? I don't think so. He's not a leader. His actions on and off the court didn't leave any indication that he would want that responsibility. To me he's more into 1. stats 2. money. And actually they go hand in hand if you're skilled enough. But mentally he's weak. And that's the key. We often criticize Dwight for not pushing enough, not dominating the game like he's supposed to, but I don't remember a game he was disinterested in. Maybe after he challenged his guys to step up, for one game. That's it. Dwight is a leader, he wants to win NOW. As much as I don't approve the drama around him, on the basketball court the guy gives his all on defensive end, and offensive end as much as his skills allow him. I don't know if Dwight would want to come to LA, but we should try it if he's healthy. And Gasol should be sent for some good role players, maybe young prospects. This team needs a 6th man off the bench badly. This year, maybe, the biggest reason we're struggling is because of that. I think Mitch will be a wolf and go hunting on draft day. There will be many opportunities he can go after. Maybe next year we'll be contenders from start to finish and play like true champions with heart and passion. Who knows how many years Kobe got in tank.. we gotta deal with this quick and smart.

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Sucks we wasted a year of elite Kobe.05/06/07/12 4 years have been wasted for Kobe. Woulda had atleast 6 rings by now. But we failed to put pieces around him.

#22 Majesty

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Posted May 12, 2012 - 01:34 AM

this is exactly why people are on drew right now: http://www.nba.com/i...94174&i=1101184

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I think people arent [expletive]ing about pau because, regardless of the outcome, win or lose, hes gone this off season, and i think he knows this, which is why hes playing like he doesnt care


To me that's even worse. What I bolded but the thing is even in Bynums "crap" effort he ripped down 15 rebounds and got 3 blocks. I can live with that if everyone else is scoring he's had low scoring games before and came up big in other categories. But Pau getting 4 and 4 im more pissed at.

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Posted May 12, 2012 - 03:45 AM

İts just the stat sheet, he could have 30 rebounds with just a little effort. He was inactive. Again.

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Posted May 16, 2012 - 09:23 AM

The Lakers find themselves down 0-1 in the second round against a very good Oklahoma City squad. The strengths and weaknesses of both teams have been analyzed to death. The Game 1 thrashing has been discussed to the point that nearly 50% of the Lakers fan base now has a prescription for Prozac. There is really nothing else I can provide in terms of X's and O's, line-up advantages, or any other stats-based analysis that will reveal the secret to beating the Thunder. It really boils down to effort and therein lies the problem.

From ESPN's Scouts Inc preview of the series:

The single biggest factor in whether the Lakers beat the Thunder will be the play of Bynum and Gasol. If they show up every game and are aggressive and assertive the Lakers can win this series.



It would seem asinine that a group of professional athletes who make millions can't find the focus to put in 30 to 40 minutes of hard work every other night, yet that is potentially the Lakers' biggest weakness. Now let me be clear, I do think the Lakers gave quite a bit of effort in Game 1 until it was well out of hand. They just ran into a red hot shooting Thunder team at the same time as they began to run out of gas. But one of the reasons the Lakers found themselves running on fumes is because they allowed the previous series that should have been over quickly to go the full distance. As they say, you reap what you sow. The Lakers planted seeds of inconsistency and complacency and now the are reaping the rewards of fatigue and exhaustion.

I can understand how inconsistency and complacency can set in during a long and grueling regular season, but not in the playoffs. There is no team in the league that goes through the motions with minimal effort in the playoffs like the Lakers and it isn't a secret either.



A few other quotes from various media sources.

From NBA.com's Charley Rosen:

Five things to watch for

2) Considering his history of loafing and pouting when he doesn't get as many touches as he thinks he should, will Bynum come to play every minute of every game?


And there is ESPN's 5-on-5 piece:

Fact or Fiction: The Thunder have the better big three at the moment

Adande: Fact... If Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum could pitch in 35 rebounds and 10 blocked shots a night the way they did last game, they and Kobe would get the nod. But they've been too inconsistent throughout the playoffs.

Palmer: Fact. Primarily because they bring it every night... When the Lakers' big three are operating at maximum capacity, they've got it hands down. But those days are fewer and farther between, especially with Andrew Bynum smack in the middle of one of his patented funks.

Thorpe: In any one game, I'd choose L.A.'s big three. The Gasol-Bynum post-to-post action might be the best two-man action in the NBA today from two frontcourt players. But in a seven-game series, I'll lean OKC's way. More consistent, more mature, more spirited and invested towards each other

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Perhaps most telling is Thorpe's last sentence. He views OKC as the "more consistent" and "more mature" team. That is a testament to OKC doing things the right way with the right types of players, but it also is a shot directly at the Lakers. Most of the Lakers have been together for multiple seasons and have won a title together, yet they aren't as "mature" as the Thunder? I can't say I disagree which is what is so frustrating as a Lakers fan.

The sky is the limit with this team. They have all the talent needed to compete for a title, but despite the rotation being comprised of predominantly veterans, they aren't mature enough. They, particularly Bynum, frequently mail in games. It's something almost unheard of in the playoffs, yet the Lakers big men have both been known to do just that.

Do the Lakers have the talent to beat the Thunder? I don't know. What I do know is that if they don't give a full effort they won't have a chance. If they show up every game and leave everything on the floor, it may still not be enough to win the series. But such an effort would allow them to hold their heads up high and make the fan base proud. In the end that is all we can ask for. The question now is whether we are asking too much


Edited by MDI, May 16, 2012 - 09:24 AM.

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Posted May 16, 2012 - 09:35 AM

Bynum hasn't proven anything yet.

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Posted May 16, 2012 - 09:59 AM

Bynum has these series to proove himself, and Pau has to show that he still has it in him. 4 wins, that's what they need.
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Posted May 16, 2012 - 11:00 AM

Bynum has these series to proove himself, and Pau has to show that he still has it in him. 4 wins 12 more wins, that's what they need.


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Posted May 16, 2012 - 11:13 AM

I honestly don't think Gasol did...Just think he's soft. Bynum, on the other hand, I just feel approaches this like a job (i.e. shows up and contributes, but doesn't have the appetite/desire to really give it everything).

Edited by leor_77, May 16, 2012 - 11:14 AM.


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Posted May 16, 2012 - 01:53 PM

Refresh my memory === but umm when has Bynum ever had that hunger for Rings???????? :hmm:

He has been handed everything without proving a damn thing = over paid contracts & 2 Rings! Bynum needs to step up or his azz heeds to go along with Lil Buss.
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Posted June 01, 2012 - 12:29 AM

Just thought I'd post some late night banter between Laker/NBA bloggers on this topic

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For both our big guys, life goes on, I dont see that burning hunger to win a ring. I think Andrew has personal goals and I have no problem with it but they're not in the context of team success. Hes compared to Dwight being the best Center in the L and hes accomplishing that but sustaining that greatness is the harder part and he had so much trouble with that in the playoffs.

And as for Pau, hes a lost case IMO

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Posted June 01, 2012 - 03:28 AM

How they can lose an apetite after 2 rings is crazy. Especially when 1 of them was basically a role player for those 2 rings.


Gasol yes, because he seemed to hit the pinnacle of his career after beating Boston in game 7. Remember he was part of the Laker team that got embarassed by them. Since then he hasn't really played inspired. Bynum there's really no doubt about his hunger and determination to get better really as he's a striver and Kobe loves that about him. But I think mentally Gasol as a Laker just can't bring himself to be as motivated before. Maybe a change of scenery is needed by him.

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Posted June 01, 2012 - 05:48 AM

We should trade Bynum for a nice pieces and a high draft pick so we can draft Fab Melo. That kid is good.




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