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#81 last stand 2.0

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Posted April 18, 2012 - 02:32 PM

I understand what he's saying... I don't agree with his tone, but it's true. Most guards in the league will not get around solid screens no matter if its Dwight Howard or Kwame Brown. That's why support is so important on screen and rolls. It gives the screenee time to recover while trying to get around these huge guys because no matter how quick or agile, they're not getting through a well established and well used pick.


Most PGs are bad defenders, the good defensive players at PG know that if your a good shooter you go over the screen if your a bad shooter you go under it. Fisher essentially made Nashs life difficult when he would fight over screens forcing nash into the paint where he's not AS good

Nobody is saying run full speed into dwight howards chest. Fight over it or under it based on the opponent. Simple.
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Posted April 18, 2012 - 02:33 PM

Maybe just maybe, some of these NBA refs are actually worse than your high school refs, at least regarding officiating legal & illegal screens.


Nah, just easier to get them to call fouls the younger you are.
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Posted April 18, 2012 - 02:41 PM

Lol I really don't think last stand that a pick and roll in HS basketball and at a pro level are extremely different in difficulty to fight over and the refs barely ever call illegal screens.... I remember when Morris was playing and Paul and Blake were using the PNR and Blake dayum near grabbed Morris from fighting over the screen lol

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Posted April 18, 2012 - 04:37 PM

Not about Sessions defense....

about his effort on defense.

"amggg it's his effortt!"

Please, Gasol, Bynum, Kobe, Ron, and the rest of the Lakers more than likely will show lack of effort on defense. Stop putting this all on Sessions.

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Posted April 18, 2012 - 04:55 PM

Most PGs are bad defenders, the good defensive players at PG know that if your a good shooter you go over the screen if your a bad shooter you go under it. Fisher essentially made Nashs life difficult when he would fight over screens forcing nash into the paint where he's not AS good

Nobody is saying run full speed into dwight howards chest. Fight over it or under it based on the opponent. Simple.

Oh yea, I most definitely agree with how you guard the PnR from the point guard perspective. What you stated is the basic idea... Yet, what do you do with guys who know how to use the screen really well? Rolling shoulder to shoulder, draggin bigs out on iso, changing pace, splitting double teams... How else can a guard maintain a player of that caliber without support?

Fighting through and getting around won't be enough to sustain even an average point guard if a teammate isn't there to at least hamper the offensive point guards intentions.

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Posted April 19, 2012 - 12:41 AM

Most PGs are bad defenders, the good defensive players at PG know that if your a good shooter you go over the screen if your a bad shooter you go under it. Fisher essentially made Nashs life difficult when he would fight over screens forcing nash into the paint where he's not AS good

Nobody is saying run full speed into dwight howards chest. Fight over it or under it based on the opponent. Simple.


running over a screen hurts like a mug if you have an F'd up shoulder.
 

I've always liked Steve Blake.

 


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Posted April 19, 2012 - 06:56 AM

running over a screen hurts like a mug if you have an F'd up shoulder.


Depends what side your coming from
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Posted April 22, 2012 - 11:48 AM

Weird. Kobe guards the PG and all of a sudden pick and roll defense is good and the bigs don't look out of place

Looks like it wasn't the bigs
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Posted April 22, 2012 - 12:13 PM

Weird. Kobe guards the PG and all of a sudden pick and roll defense is good and the bigs don't look out of place

Looks like it wasn't the bigs

Because Kobe is smart enough to angle the guard away from the screen as opposed to playing straight up and allowing himself to be picked. He's also quick and long enough to keep up with them, even if he's trailing.

Only problem is, that's a lot energy to exert for one of your primary scorers.

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Posted April 22, 2012 - 02:52 PM

Because Kobe is smart enough to angle the guard away from the screen as opposed to playing straight up and allowing himself to be picked. He's also quick and long enough to keep up with them, even if he's trailing.

Only problem is, that's a lot energy to exert for one of your primary scorers.


yes but sessions is just as quick as kobe. sessions needs to man up on screens simple as that. kobe proved tonight what i've been saying for weeks. its not the bigs its sessions. he lets the PGs go right to the mid range and puts the bigs in no mans land
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Posted April 22, 2012 - 02:54 PM

Lmao and hill played great pick and roll defense tonight hmmm lets see if Bynum would have played the same defense as hill

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Posted April 22, 2012 - 03:11 PM

Lmao and hill played great pick and roll defense tonight hmmm lets see if Bynum would have played the same defense as hill


Westbrook was 1-8 in the first half when Bynum and pau played majority minutes. Try again
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Posted April 22, 2012 - 03:13 PM

Westbrook was 1-8 in the first half when Bynum and pau played majority minutes. Try again

Kobe's defense.

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Posted April 22, 2012 - 03:22 PM

Kobe's defense.

That's my point
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Posted April 22, 2012 - 04:42 PM

yes but sessions is just as quick as kobe. sessions needs to man up on screens simple as that. kobe proved tonight what i've been saying for weeks. its not the bigs its sessions. he lets the PGs go right to the mid range and puts the bigs in no mans land

I really think you might be over simplifying. Kobe is also 4" taller, at least 20 lbs heavier, and has a longer wingspan. Not to mention he's older and wiser than Sessions.

Obviously, there are things Sessions can do to be a better defender, but it's the total team D that matters the most.

On the flipside of that though, I loved how Kobe came with it tonight on D. But man was he tired in that overtime.

Edited by SpSoloSr, April 22, 2012 - 04:43 PM.


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Posted April 30, 2012 - 12:57 PM

Good too see that Bynum and Pau have picked it up defensively let's see if we can do this all the way through the playoffs

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Posted April 30, 2012 - 01:10 PM

Blaming losses on one player is usually stupid since there are lots of factors usually in a loss. This game is not tennis.
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Posted April 30, 2012 - 01:16 PM

Pau cost us the playoffs last year... His play dragged out the New Orleans series..kobe re-injured his ankle and it was a wrap.. Kobe actually STILL came with it...BIG GAMES and Gasol just was like having Murphy out there , with less range .
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Posted April 30, 2012 - 01:52 PM

Pau was about 80% of the blame the rest goes on defense that was not there
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Posted April 30, 2012 - 02:12 PM

Pau was about 80% of the blame the rest goes on defense that was not there


And Kobe played like a shell of himself because of the knee injury.

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