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#641 fido

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:39 PM

Nixing the Paul trade also nixed the Howard deal that was done as well.

It hurt, but it can be made up for right now by getting Howard a.s.a.p. at whatever price the magic are asking.

Again,

C: Howard / Murphy
PF: McRoberts / Turkoglu
SF: Barnes / World Peace / Walton / Ebanks
SG: Bryant / Kapono / Goudelocke
PG: Fisher / Blake / Morris

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:39 PM

Williams 100% needs to come through trade

If Howard comes about 45 million will be tied to Kobe and Howard. The cap is at 58 million next year. We have Blake, luke, artest, and probably turkoglu under pay roll

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:40 PM

Nixing the Paul trade also nixed the Howard deal that was done as well.

It hurt, but it can be made up for right now by getting Howard a.s.a.p. at whatever price the magic are asking.

Again,

C: Howard / Murphy
PF: McRoberts / Turkoglu
SF: Barnes / World Peace / Walton / Ebanks
SG: Bryant / Kapono / Goudelocke
PG: Fisher / Blake / Morris

Start Turkoglu and Ebanks should not be behind Walton. :laughing:

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:41 PM

No, for vetoing the Chris Paul trade. Every time we suck on offense I think about the difference Chris Paul would of made


None.

If these guys couldn't make Wide open jumpers they wouldn't when Chris Paul was there either.

We wouldn't even have Gasol or Bynum or Odom with having Chris Paul. Which means more wide open jumpers missed by Kapono and Murphy who would be our main go to guys at that positions rather than coming off the bench.

This team would have been doing a lot worse with Chris Paul given our current pieces we'd have at this point as we'd still be without a Center. a Small Forward and a Power Forward and our numbers would be hugely down at that position.

Chris Paul and Kobe can't carry a 3 4 consistently missing and a 5 that isn't really a 5. So not having Chris Paul considering everything given up I wouldn't mind.

What I do mind is the pieces we got specifically FOR knocking down the shots we keep getting for them, aren't making them. THAT is the problem along with Gasol forgetting no PF in the league can guard him.

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:41 PM

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:42 PM

I was hoping to see Bynum compete more against Howard tonight. The 2 top centers in the league going at it. But he only had half the numbers of Howard. He didn't get enough touches.

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:42 PM

hope Rubio lights up the clipps

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:43 PM

Terrible rotations?

because the rotations on the Lakers now are so rock solid?!

The lakers aren't winning anything this year, it's the truth. It simply won't and can't happen with this roster.

Dealing Pau and Bynum for Howard won't make this team any weaker. The attention Howard gets down low will open up everything, including an amazing amount of extra room for Kobe to operate in. You still won't win the cup this year with Howard in tow, but the development will start quickly.

And yes, it will be tough, but the Lakers along with Williams and his agent will find a way to get Williams in tow the next year.

Unless Lakers cut every single player not named Dwight and Kobe, there's no way they can sign Williams via Free agency..

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:43 PM

GP1: Dude, I listed players not rotations.

last stand: Salaries can be shed. They Lakers did it to acquire Shaq when they were up against the cap as well.

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:43 PM

Maybe since he knows he's terrible and fans are hating, he will not pick up his option

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:43 PM

None.

If these guys couldn't make Wide open jumpers they wouldn't when Chris Paul was there either.

We wouldn't even have Gasol or Bynum or Odom with having Chris Paul. Which means more wide open jumpers missed by Kapono and Murphy who would be our main go to guys at that positions rather than coming off the bench.

This team would have been doing a lot worse with Chris Paul given our current pieces we'd have at this point as we'd still be without a Center. a Small Forward and a Power Forward and our numbers would be hugely down at that position.

Chris Paul and Kobe can't carry a 3 4 consistently missing and a 5 that isn't really a 5. So not having Chris Paul considering everything given up I wouldn't mind.

What I do mind is the pieces we got specifically FOR knocking down the shots we keep getting for them, aren't making them. THAT is the problem along with Gasol forgetting no PF in the league can guard him.


What are you talking about dude? You know the deal was to get rid of Pau and LO, and we'd have Andrew. Right....? Smh

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:43 PM

Bynum doesn't have that competitive kind of fire in him whatsoever.

O.K. so let's say they can't get Williams (though salaries can be shed and numbers can be crunched to get him, but that aside), all you need is an average PG with Kobe and Dwight. Point guards don't assure rings, rebounds, defense and post play do.

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:44 PM

so what happend are we coming back with d12..?????? at work fellas

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:45 PM

I was hoping to see Bynum compete more against Howard. The 2 top centers in the league going at it. But he only had half the numbers of Howard. He didn't get enough touches.


He only played half the 3rd and the 4th quarters.

When he was in their paint numbers actually did go up and Gasol actually took it to the basket. Bynums presence out there and way of opening up the paint by keeping the other center(Dwight in this case) on him makes it easier for Gasol TO take it to the basket. When he gets into foul trouble early, our team struggles.

I wish Gasol had the mentality on when he HAD to be the Center and he actually had in the paint numbers. But now since Bynum is completely healthy Gasol plays like "oh, I don't need to take it to the paint anymore, Drew can handle that"

Either Gasol gets himself in gear and stops letting not as talented shorter and not as strong or skilled as him Power Forwards out play him and takes it to the lane on them, or he can get out.

Bynum doesn't have that competitive kind of fire in him whatsoever.


Shaq disagrees with you. Bynum actually DOES have a competitive fire in him, and it's actually got him into trouble a couple of times.

Want to call out someone for not having a competitive fire, his name is Pau Gasol.

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:45 PM

GP1: Dude, I listed players not rotations.

last stand: Salaries can be shed. They Lakers did it to acquire Shaq when they were up against the cap as well.


Yes they could. However hedo, luke, and artest are people noone will touch for any reason. Only way it's possible is if we trade Blake for expirings along with fisher and Luke and artest both retire allowing us to amnesty hedo.

That is the only way it's even remotely possible. Even then we'd need to get rid of mcroberts
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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:46 PM

Why does Bynum get a free pass with his poor play (for 7 years now), yet Pau doesn't?

neither deserves a pass on poor play, yet man you guys give Bynum way too much slack for his lackluster play.

McRoberts contract would not have to be shed. It's Walton and World Peace that would have to be worked to be shed.

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:47 PM

Yes they could. However hedo, luke, and artest are people noone will touch for any reason. Only way it's possible is if we trade Blake for expirings along with fisher and Luke and artest both retire allowing us to amnesty hedo.

That is the only way it's even remotely possible. Even then we'd need to get rid of mcroberts

Luke will retire because of his back and ron will hopefully will not pick up his player option

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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:48 PM

Getting deron is more important. Dwight would be easier to get in the offseason as a s/t with Bynum would be the best they could get

Dwight is pretty much all in. You get Dwight and it's just gonna be dwight
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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:51 PM

Tough back to back loses
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Posted January 20, 2012 - 07:52 PM

Why does Bynum get a free pass with his poor play (for 7 years now), yet Pau doesn't?

neither deserves a pass on poor play, yet man you guys give Bynum way too much slack for his lackluster play.

McRoberts contract would not have to be shed. It's Walton and World Peace that would have to be worked to be shed.


Bynum gets scrutinized for a Game he barely got to play 17 minutes in.

Gasol played near the entire game and had someone out there on him that couldn't defend him on his best day.

With Bynum we know what we're gonna get from him we know his moves and his ability, and he had Howard on him.

Gasol had a 6 foot 8 guy that couldn't guard him on his worst day ever and doesn't even take it to him nor try to take him to the basket.

Miss or not Bynum tries to take it to the other center every night and it has got him in foul trouble at times( and some can be argued as bad calls)

Gasol on the other hand has people in front of him every night he should and can score on, but he's intent to not test them at all and wants to shoot threes or shoot jump shots.

THIS is why Gasol does not get a pass, the guy he has defending him he should have gotten at LEAST 25 points on but he gives no effort and shows no determination, that on top of the fact he refuses to box out and lets shorter guards take the ball from him.

Gasol has all the talent in the world and yet doesn't let you know about it once against opponents that he should.

How many Power Forwards in the league can actually guard Pau Gasol if he tries to take them to the basket? You could count them on one hand if you can even find that many.

Yet does he play like he knows it? No. Does he even try to find out? No.

THAT is why he gets much more scrutiny than Bynum, and it's well deserved in my opinion.

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