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#201 LakersGAFan

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Posted October 22, 2011 - 10:54 AM

Hard to do by yourself.

He aint by himself. Hes had decent support. Not all at once but through the last 3-4 seasons Dwights had:
Hedo Turkaglu
Jameer Nelson
Vince Carter
Rashard Lewis
Gilber Arenas
JJ Redick
Jason Richardson
Trevor Ariza
Carlos Arroyo
Mickael Pietrus
Marcin Gortat

Thats pretty solid supporting rotation of players

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Posted October 22, 2011 - 11:52 AM

He aint by himself. Hes had decent support. Not all at once but through the last 3-4 seasons Dwights had:
Hedo Turkaglu
Jameer Nelson
Vince Carter
Rashard Lewis
Gilber Arenas
JJ Redick
Jason Richardson
Trevor Ariza
Carlos Arroyo
Mickael Pietrus
Marcin Gortat

Thats pretty solid supporting rotation of players


Well let's look at it more closely:

Hedo was great in his first run with Orlando, especially when Jameer was out and he pretty much became point-forward, but he hasn't been nearly as good since going back.

Jameer Nelson? The PG who seems to play like anything but a PG? Sure, he can create when he wants to, but he looks to score way too often and forces a ton of stuff. He's decent, but definitely not the best teammate to compliment Dwight. Jameer and Hedo have had problems on the court for a long time as well; they just don't work together for some reason.

Vince Carter was always whack. Completely disappeared against Boston in the post-season, refused to take over when needed (which is the only reason they traded for him), and his shooting was terrible. He should've been the ideal fit, but he just didn't work out.

Rashard Lewis is another guy who was money for them until the '09 Finals, but really fell off afterwards. He was capable of so much more on the court, but he became almost primarily a jumpshooter by the end of his time in Orlando.

Gilbert Arenas is not the same Gilbert Arenas pre-knee issues. Not even close. He's a shell of himself and can't dominate like he used to. His shooting, which was his best skill, has become shaky to say the least. He's not a lock to make wide open triples anymore. He can't drive, has a tougher time finishing inside, has a shakier jumpshot, and his confidence is just at an all-time low. For a guy that was once Agent Zero and tearing whole teams up with his scoring, he's had the worst fall from grace.

JJ Redick is a shooter, Jason Richardson became a jumpshooter after going to Orlando as well, Trevor Ariza wouldn't get any PT and was nothing really special until coming to LA and improving in damn near everything. Arroyo is nothing special, Pietrus became a shooter instead of slashing and bringing great man defense. He really regressed after than '09 run to the Finals.

Gortat is solid, always has been, but he was the backup C. He wasn't going to be providing much help for Dwight on the court at the same time.

Oh, and aside from Gortat, no one else on the Magic wants to play defense of any kind. Ever. Pietrus used to be really good on that end, and was solid in Golden State as well, but he's become a jumpshooter and has fallen out of favor with SVG. Hell, seemingly everyone that comes to Orlando becomes a jumpshooter.

What Dwight needs is a legitimate teammate that can take the pressure off of him both on defense and offense. There isn't a single guy on that team willing to step up in the clutch or make that big defensive stop at the end. Hell, just give him a slasher like Iguodala capable of creating for others and let them loose. They'd probably do much better. Fill in the holes at positions with able-bodied defenders capable of hitting shots and you've got yourselves a damn good team. He just needs one above-average to elite perimeter player and a cast of guys who won't let their guy get by them every single time to really make noise in the postseason.

Orlando got it done through terrific team play in '09, but they haven't had anywhere near the same level of play since then. Dwight Howard is the only reason they've been relevant. Take Dwight off the team and swap him with any other center and Orlando is suddenly fighting to make the playoffs.

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Posted October 22, 2011 - 12:17 PM

I agree with all that^. But my only point was that he had players on the payroll capable of getting it done. They just dont. Just like last year Pau, LO and Ron Ron didnt get it done for KB. Its not the franchises fault players suck when they shouldnt.

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Posted October 27, 2011 - 01:58 PM

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If you were Sam Presti, would you trade Kendrick Perkins, James Harden, Eric Maynor and your best available first-round pick for Dwight Howard?

Don’t worry, Thunder fans. It’s a trick question. Dwight Howard’s not going to Oklahoma City.

He’s not going to Memphis for Marc Gasol and O.J. Mayo. Or to Indiana for Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert. Or to the Los Angeles Clippers for Chris Kaman and Eric Gordon.

But Howard is going somewhere, that’s for sure.

In the summer, Howard – who can opt out of his contract and become a free agent after this season, whenever it starts – told NBA.com he had met with Magic owner Rich DeVos and said there was no way in hell he was staying he wanted to win a championship and “things have to change” if that didn’t happen this year.

Given that the Magic have gone from Finals participants to first-round flameouts in two years, that’s highly unlikely. But just in case all the lockout talk this summer had numbed everyone’s minds, he laid out a few more tea leaves in an interview with Esquire magazine.

“There’s more you can do in a bigger place,” Howard said. “I’m stuck in a tough position because I feel like right now, where I’m at, I’ve done so much. And I just don’t know what else I can do.”

Howard also threw Stan Van Gundy under the bus, saying the coach “yelled a lot” and “sometimes when you have so much negativity, it’s really hard to be positive.”

So to summarize, Howard has done more for Orlando than Mickey Mouse, having oversaturated the godforsaken swamp with his boundless goodwill and positive energy. And he has done this without much help from his teammates and his coach, who should remember that if you don’t have anything nice to say, then don’t say anything at all. For all those concerned, it might be best if he just moved on to a bigger city where he would be more wealthy and popular appreciated. Despite all those hardships, he would consider staying – but only if that elephant can fit through the eye of this needle.

Howard also said in the Esquire interview that he wants “to be an icon.” That’s not going to happen in Oklahoma City, or Memphis, or Indiana. For an NBA player, it can only happen in a handful of places, and Orlando isn’t one of them. Just ask Shaq.

Magic GM Otis Smith is over a barrel. He has to blow up his team and trade Howard, or risk losing him in free agency. He also has to keep his fingers tightly crossed that the “Carmelo Rule” that has been discussed in labor negotiations does not become part of the next CBA, or he is resigned to getting zilch for his franchise player.

We’ve come up with a few suggestions for Smith on where he might want to send Howard and get something more than a bag of hammers in return. And yes, we considered Miami, where Chris Bosh would be the centerpiece of the return package. But the Heat don’t have draft picks to trade, and who else would the Magic really want off that roster?

The bottom line is there’s not many options. If you think you have a better one, well, that’s what the comment box is for.

5. Howard to New York for Amar’e Stoudemire, Landry Fields and a first-round pick. Replacing Stoudemire’s face-up game with Howard’s omnipresence on the block would be the ideal way for the Knicks to show the door to Mike D’Antoni and his intransigent approach to defense, wouldn’t it? Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups and Toney Douglas can drain 3-pointers off the post double-team just as easily as off the pick-and-roll. And Howard’s presence doesn’t make the Garden any less enticing to Chris Paul.

Fields will turn Hedo Turkoglu into the most expensive backup small forward in the league. The Magic would still have a presence in the middle in Stoudemire, who would be super pissed after a season on the high hog in the Big Apple. He is from Orlando, but this homecoming would rival Alex getting out of prison in A Clockwork Orange.

ODDS: 100-1. This is the same deal the Magic have made since reaching the 2009 Finals – acquiring high-priced, big-name talent that doesn’t fit. The Knicks would be better served sitting tight and popping for Paul in free agency.

4. Howard to New Jersey for Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, Anthony Morrow and two first-round picks: This is the sort of package the Magic will receive if they wait too long to deal Howard – one good player, a couple of rotation players and a bunch of unknown future players. Lopez somewhat replaces Howard’s scoring and Humphries – who would have to be a sign-and-trade – somewhat replaces his rebounding. Morrow allows the Magic to let Jason Richardson walk, beginning a necessary salary purge.

Acquiring Howard will help the Nets lock up Deron Williams and move to Brooklyn with two legitimate stars good enough to vault them into the postseason on a regular basis. But they won’t make any more noise than that unless they start filling in around them, and fast.

ODDS: 50-1. The Nets would want to do this much more than the Magic, who would be left with a rotation full of players who don’t command a double-team.

3. Howard to Atlanta for Al Horford, Marvin Williams, Jeff Teague and a first-round pick: This would be a homecoming for Howard, which might be the only reason he would consider spending his prime with the Hawks. He would also be lined up alongside Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford and AAU buddy Josh Smith, who figures to benefit the most from his presence.

The Magic get back a borderline All-Star center in Horford and a potential starting point guard in Teague. Williams would have to sign his qualifying offer to make this deal happen, and Orlando would have a tough decision to make on him next summer. But it’s not a bad return for giving up your cornerstone.

ODDS: 40-1. Horford is a base-year compensation player, and the Hawks might be reluctant to include Teague.

2. Howard and Quentin Richardson to Chicago for Joakim Noah, Luol Deng and a first-round pick: Yes, the Bulls would be giving up a lot, but there’s a price to pay for pairing Howard with MVP Derrick Rose. Just imagine the lob passes. Keep in mind that this doesn’t solve Chicago’s issues at shooting guard unless the deal is expanded to include J.J. Redick, whom the Bulls were chasing as a restricted free agent a year ago.

Noah is a future All-Star and Deng will always be able to score. However, the deal would leave the Magic a bit small across the frontcourt if Hedo Turkoglu is used as a stretch-4.

ODDS: 25-1. This is a solid package for Orlando because there’s no trash with the treasure. But Noah also is a base-year guy, and his rising cap number is a concern for a team with multiple bad contracts.

1. Howard to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum and two first-round picks: This has been the most rumored deal in various incarnations, and it hasn’t happened because Jim Buss doesn’t want to trade Bynum anywhere, for anyone. But with new coach Mike Brown on the sidelines and Kobe Bryant finally starting to show some wear and tear, now is the time.

The Magic can’t do any better than this. They get back the only center who can stay in a discussion with Howard, allowing them the flexibility to continue to play inside-out or entirely rebuild their roster around Bynum, whose health issues are definitely a concern. It also allows them to keep a good coach on the sidelines instead of placating a prima donna.

ODDS: 10-1. Can’t see this deal expanded to include Lamar Odom or Ron Artest, although Matt Barnes could be a throw-in. Mikan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Superman – the tradition continues. Just do it already.


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Posted October 27, 2011 - 02:15 PM

Now seriously, if the Lakers pulled this deal off as stated here, Bynum and picks for Howard - this would be one of the best trades in NBA history.

If you can secure Howard without giving up Bynum and another prime time player (such as Gasol or Odom), wow - simply wow. The crazy thing is, he is right, Orlando can do no better than getting Bynum in return. They lose a lot but at least they stay competitive and maintain their system as is, until they re-structure the team a bit. It gives them someone for the fans to at least somewhat attach to (although Howard's loss will forever be felt) and it keeps them in the mix in the East. They're not at the top of the East, but they don't slide down all that much either.

Just reading this from anyone (other than a short-sighted biased fan) is exciting to think about.

C: Howard / FA
PF: Gasol / Odom / Caracter
SF: World Peace / Barnes / Ebanks
SG: Bryant / FA
PG: Fisher / Blake / FA

That before any free agents are addressed - um yeah - I'm incredibly fine with that.

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Posted October 27, 2011 - 03:16 PM

i think it ends up being bynum, odom(expiring), walton(expiring), caracter, and draft picks for howard and hedo.

then orlando gets rid of gilbert through the hopeful amnesty the owners get and they are set to save some cap room and build around drew while we get howard and the not so awesome hedo but we keep pau and kobe and add dwight
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Posted November 28, 2011 - 11:41 PM

Celtics and Clippers Will Pursue Dwight

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While the Clippers would an alternative choice for Chris Paul if he is unable to end up with the Knicks, the team's preference is to pursue Dwight Howard by all means necessary say sources.

The Clippers will do everything they can to acquire Howard short of trading Blake Griffin.

Howard and Paul are members of the 2012 free agency class.

RealGM's Jarrod Rudolph reported earlier on Monday that Howard won't be interested in playing for the Clippers. Rudolph also reports that the Celtics will pursue Howard and that the Magic remain a viable option.


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Posted November 29, 2011 - 12:21 AM

uhmm, we need to use that vujacic trade exception asap. that's around $5mil right? magic won't unload howard unless they get rid of torkoglu or arenas.

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Posted November 29, 2011 - 12:32 AM

We could go for Arenas, new PG, but i don't want that guy.
Turkoglu i would take him!

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Posted November 29, 2011 - 01:04 AM

Lol at celtics. Why would Dwight go play with that aged roster. At least the lakers are aging and in sunny LA

The celtics are aged
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Posted November 30, 2011 - 08:59 AM

Tim Legler talks about New Jersey's interest in Dwight.






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