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#1 Texas_Pete

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 05:05 AM

We saw Sasha just cash in for a 3yr/$15M deal after having a career year. But what about Ariza? We saw glimpses of his athleticism before he went down only to return with an improved jumper added to his repertoire. If he has a break out season, will the Lakers be able to afford him?

Sasha was our most productive bench player this year, but I believe Ariza has the most upside on this team. Unless a trade happens, he will back up LO. If given enough minutes I am sure that he can give us 9/5/1.5. IMO he is the future SF for the Lakers - at least until Kobe is on the decline and has to move there full time. What do you guys think?

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 05:25 AM

yeaa ariza is a hometown dude, where else would he want to play? the lakers made a move for him knowing his talents when the magic and knicks didnt.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 06:20 AM

he will stay next year , we will have alot of money becuz of Odom's Expiring Contract. we can give him a deal like Sasha or even more. Im worried about Bynum, how we going to pay him .... WE NEED TO GET RID OF LUKE AND VLAD CONTRACTS
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Posted July 26, 2008 - 06:40 AM

We saw Sasha just cash in for a 3yr/$15M deal after having a career year. But what about Ariza? We saw glimpses of his athleticism before he went down only to return with an improved jumper added to his repertoire. If he has a break out season, will the Lakers be able to afford him?

Sasha was our most productive bench player this year, but I believe Ariza has the most upside on this team. Unless a trade happens, he will back up LO. If given enough minutes I am sure that he can give us 9/5/1.5. IMO he is the future SF for the Lakers - at least until Kobe is on the decline and has to move there full time. What do you guys think?


Ariza's health is a concern, he fractured a foot in practice just from landing on it in what I assume was a normal jump. This isn't the nature of an accidentally induced injury, at least it doesn't sound like it. It sounds more like his bones are fragile, like his calcium levels must be low, he must not be eating enough milk/cheese or something like that.

Anyways if he stays healthy and has a breakout season and proves to be what we really need at the spot we'll find a way to make room for him. We could simply let LO walk if he proves he can play that role better than him. I'm sure he'd be thrilled with 5m per year, and we'd probably end up saving 5m off of a potential extension to LO. That would = 10m savings in terms of luxary taxes.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 08:25 AM

I doubt it.

If he "breaks out", that means Luke and Vlad aren't playing well enough to get their usual minutes. That's gonna make them even harder to trade and unless one of them or Lamar get traded, there's no way we can pay top dollar for a FOURTH small forward.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 08:40 AM

IF HE BREAKS OUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GET RID OF LUKE, VLAD IS A POWER FOWARD SO WE NEED HIM FOR DEPTH,IF LUKE COMES BACK AS THE LUKE WE SAW IN 07 I SAY WE KEEP HIM IM JUST WORRYING ABOUT ALL THEASE EXTENSIONS WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO, LO, KOBE, BYNUM,FARMAR, TREVER DANM DATS ALOT OF SPENDING
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Posted July 26, 2008 - 09:09 AM

IF HE BREAKS OUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GET RID OF LUKE, VLAD IS A POWER FOWARD SO WE NEED HIM FOR DEPTH,IF LUKE COMES BACK AS THE LUKE WE SAW IN 07 I SAY WE KEEP HIM IM JUST WORRYING ABOUT ALL THEASE EXTENSIONS WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO, LO, KOBE, BYNUM,FARMAR, TREVER DANM DATS ALOT OF SPENDING


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Anyways, I believe if he does have a "break-out" season we'll do what it takes to retain him or find ways to trade him for something. Either way I'm not too worried about until next summer when it may or may not actually happen...
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Posted July 26, 2008 - 09:42 AM

I hope so. There seems to be a mutual respect between the two. Trevor came right out on the day after the season was over saying he was going to exercise his option. He said it's like a dream for him to play in LA.

In the end, though, it's going to be tough for him to 'break out' with all of the tools on this team. I hope he does. Trevor is one of my favorite guys, but I don't know. If he gets a Ronny deal, it's going to be tough for the Lakers to keep paying reserves so much.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 10:22 AM

Ariza's health is a concern, he fractured a foot in practice just from landing on it in what I assume was a normal jump. This isn't the nature of an accidentally induced injury, at least it doesn't sound like it. It sounds more like his bones are fragile, like his calcium levels must be low, he must not be eating enough milk/cheese or something like that.

Anyways if he stays healthy and has a breakout season and proves to be what we really need at the spot we'll find a way to make room for him. We could simply let LO walk if he proves he can play that role better than him. I'm sure he'd be thrilled with 5m per year, and we'd probably end up saving 5m off of a potential extension to LO. That would = 10m savings in terms of luxary taxes.

I gotta agree with you, man. If he can stay healthy completely this season and do what he was doing before he got injured. I'd throw some cash at him.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 10:41 AM

If he breaks out, we let LO walk and pay Ariza.
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Posted July 26, 2008 - 12:39 PM

If Ariza breaks out, he's gone.

As said above, unless we find a way to move Vlad or Luke's contracts (HIGHLY UNLIKELY), there is just no way we can realistically pay ANOTHER SF. Letting Odom walk for nothing is terrible management. When you have a fringe All-Star player, you MUST get SOME value out of him. Otherwise, the Shaq trade jumps down several notches.

If we get any kind of salary back for Odom or resign him, there's no room for Ariza on the payroll no matter how good he proves to be. He'd either be S&T'd or we'd have to let him walk.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 01:44 PM

Stupid question, dude wont break out enough to demand over 4 mil a year. He's a one trick pony while Sasha can do many things.
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Posted July 26, 2008 - 01:52 PM

Well if you look at the situation, they should be able to afford him. Next year the Lakers salaries are only at about 57 mil. The luxury tax will probably be around 73 mil. The only things you have to count on adding to that 54 are a bynum extension, and then if they resign Odom. You gotta figure around 11 mil or so for Bynum, and that puts them at 65 mil. Still 8 mil before the luxury tax kicks in, so you could give odom 7 mil and Ariza 5 mil and be paying 4 mil in luxury taxes, which is less than they will be paying this year (already paying about 7 mil for 11 players, so they'll end up paying about 10 mil in luxury taxes this year).

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 01:53 PM

If he breaks out, we let LO walk and pay Ariza.

We can't let LO walk for nothing... Who's going to play SF if we let Odom walk for nothing? :rock:

No team is going to give Ariza a big contract because he's always injured. He's not even a good offensive player to be demanding a big contract. The Lakers need to move Vlad for a big and maybe bring back Ariza for $2M per season.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 01:54 PM

Ariza's health is a concern, he fractured a foot in practice just from landing on it in what I assume was a normal jump. This isn't the nature of an accidentally induced injury, at least it doesn't sound like it. It sounds more like his bones are fragile, like his calcium levels must be low, he must not be eating enough milk/cheese or something like that.

Anyways if he stays healthy and has a breakout season and proves to be what we really need at the spot we'll find a way to make room for him. We could simply let LO walk if he proves he can play that role better than him. I'm sure he'd be thrilled with 5m per year, and we'd probably end up saving 5m off of a potential extension to LO. That would = 10m savings in terms of luxary taxes.


If I remember correctly, he fractured his foot in practice when he landed on Lamar Odom's foot. Didn't Pau get a high ankle sprain in the same manner? :rock:

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 01:57 PM

Well if you look at the situation, they should be able to afford him. Next year the Lakers salaries are only at about 57 mil. The luxury tax will probably be around 73 mil. The only things you have to count on adding to that 54 are a bynum extension, and then if they resign Odom. You gotta figure around 11 mil or so for Bynum, and that puts them at 65 mil. Still 8 mil before the luxury tax kicks in, so you could give odom 7 mil and Ariza 5 mil and be paying 4 mil in luxury taxes, which is less than they will be paying this year (already paying about 7 mil for 11 players, so they'll end up paying about 10 mil in luxury taxes this year).

$5M for Ariza? http://lakernation.c...tyle_emoticons/default/laughing.gif He's not even a good offensive player and he's definitely overrated on defense by a lot of Laker fans.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 02:05 PM

If I remember correctly, he fractured his foot in practice when he landed on Lamar Odom's foot. Didn't Pau get a high ankle sprain in the same manner? :mellow:


Landing on someone's foot causes an ankle sprain and/or damage to the foot nearly every time. It has nothing to do with Ariza, but when you twist your foot like that something is gonna happen. And as for what L.A.K.E.R. said, it was actually Fish. He got ligament damage from landing on someone's foot, I think it was LO too.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 02:08 PM

$5M for Ariza? http://lakernation.c...tyle_emoticons/default/laughing.gif He's not even a good offensive player and he's definitely overrated on defense by a lot of Laker fans.


Yea how about we give him a paycut from the contract he got with the magic when he hardly played? He's already making 3 mil genius. And when a young player starts to develop and play better, you give him a raise.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 02:10 PM

Well if you look at the situation, they should be able to afford him. Next year the Lakers salaries are only at about 57 mil. The luxury tax will probably be around 73 mil. The only things you have to count on adding to that 54 are a bynum extension, and then if they resign Odom. You gotta figure around 11 mil or so for Bynum, and that puts them at 65 mil. Still 8 mil before the luxury tax kicks in, so you could give odom 7 mil and Ariza 5 mil and be paying 4 mil in luxury taxes, which is less than they will be paying this year (already paying about 7 mil for 11 players, so they'll end up paying about 10 mil in luxury taxes this year).


We are at 56 million before factoring in Sasha's new deal. Add a good 4 million and change to that (first year). We should be sitting at 60+ million. If Bynum receives the max, the deal starts at 13.5 million. I can't see Odom getting less than 10mi/year and that would put him around 8 million in the starting year. Even if Bynum makes 11 and Odom makes 7, that puts us at 78 million before signing Ariza. We'd paying 83 million at that point. If you pay Ariza 5 million, it brings it to 93.

So I don't think you're quite looking at the numbers correctly here.

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Posted July 26, 2008 - 02:16 PM

I know... his math was way off. http://lakernation.c...tyle_emoticons/default/laughing.gif

Odom resigning for $7M? Why would he take a big paycut when he played good in the 2nd half of the season, and was our 2nd best player in the playoffs? Odom can easily get $10M from teams in FA. You want Odom to resign for $7M when Vlad and Luke are almost making $7M. http://lakernation.c...tyle_emoticons/default/laughing.gif




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