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[oregonlakerguy]

His fanboys are making excuses for him like they have been doing since 2004. Lamar Odom has no role in this offense. Phil doesn't know if he's a facilitator, a post player, a three-point shooter, or a sixth man. Nobody really knows, and it's because Lamar Odom can't make up his damn mind.

And no, it's not because he's versatile. He's not Garnett. Odom doesn't do one single thing on the court consistently. I don't like players that will go post up and make a shot a couple of times, then go slash and miss a layup, then drift outside and take a 23-footer and miss that, then try and set up his teammates and screw that up.

Odom is a superstar, but only in his own mind. That's exactly why he had a star shaved into his head, like an idiot.


I didn't say Odom made any excuses. He usually isn't that quick to think of any during interviews.

And the haters have been there most of that time doing their best to minimize any contribution. Much like your post here.

[A_V_R]

Im a lamar lover. Even if he did play through injury, he just had a bad series. At the end of the day you just got to take responsibility for how you performed and Odom did that. Come back stronger.

[Tobias Fünke]

This thing is a huge non story. All NBA players play hurt that late in the season. I just feel it's funny that the people who are enamored with this guy make it out to be "That's why he didn't do so well apart from the Jazz series"

[GCMD]

Should I have said that he got someone else's team to the finals?
Just plain silly.
How about this?
Lamar Odom just happened to be playing on the Lakers team that made it to the finals. I in no way mean to imply that he made a contribution to that accomplishment, because to do so would certainly offend some posters.
On second thought, perhaps I should not mention Odom and Lakers in the same sentence. I suppose doing so would sully the image of whichever Laker you might possibly like.

I guess Vlad got HIS team to the Finals? Or Fisher?


LO did NOT "get" the Lakers any where. He's a role player. Why? Because he's not aggressive enough to "lead" his team.


You can't have it both ways.

Manu didn't "get" his team anywhere.
Chandler either.
JHoward.
T. Prince
Ray Allen
Et Cetera...

You and many others are talking out of both side of your mouths. First, let LO play his game, which isn't aggression, scoring or reliability. Then, LO "gets his team" to the Finals???

Like I said, revisionist history. Can't deal with that truth? Sorry.

The players the "got" the Lakers to the Finals were Kobe and Pau. Next year, it will be Kobe, Pau and Bynum. These are the people who WANT to lead. LO does not.


You can't have it both ways.

Edited by GCMD, September 06, 2008 - 08:12 PM.

[GCMD]

And the haters have been there most of that time doing their best to minimize any contribution. Much like your post here.

Truth = Lamar Odom Hatred


We need to add that definition to the Webster's Dictionary...

[oregonlakerguy]

I guess Vlad got HIS team to the Finals? Or Fisher?


LO did NOT "get" the Lakers any where. He's a role player. Why? Because he's not aggressive enough to "lead" his team.


You can't have it both ways.

Manu didn't "get" his team anywhere.
Chandler either.
JHoward.
T. Prince
Ray Allen
Et Cetera...

You and many others are talking out of both side of your mouths. First, let LO play his game, which isn't aggression, scoring or reliability. Then, LO "gets his team" to the Finals???

Like I said, revisionist history. Can't deal with that truth? Sorry.

The players the "got" the Lakers to the Finals were Kobe and Pau. Next year, it will be Kobe, Pau and Bynum. These are the people who WANT to lead. LO does not.


You can't have it both ways.

Again with the semantic silliness. Lamar Odom was the starting power forward on the Los Angeles Lakers. That team made it to the finals. I didn't see Kobe and Pau win a two on five game all season. Did you?
Is your claim that Odom's contribution was insignificant?
I specifically did not say led his team. That would be Kobe's job. That you get your panties in a bunch about someone simply acknowledging that someone's efforts got a team to the finals is a testament to your bias.
Do you see me trying to alter any reality or diminish anyone?
Have I claimed that Odom did anything that he didn't?
Your need to minimize Odom is the only revisionism around here. There are FIVE players on a basketball team. Until you get that, I don't think we will find common ground.

[GCMD]

Again with the semantic silliness. Lamar Odom was the starting power forward on the Los Angeles Lakers. That team made it to the finals. I didn't see Kobe and Pau win a two on five game all season. Did you?
Is your claim that Odom's contribution was insignificant?
I specifically did not say led his team. That would be Kobe's job. That you get your panties in a bunch about someone simply acknowledging that someone's efforts got a team to the finals is a testament to your bias.
Do you see me trying to alter any reality or diminish anyone?
Have I claimed that Odom did anything that he didn't?
Your need to minimize Odom is the only revisionism around here. There are FIVE players on a basketball team. Until you get that, I don't think we will find common ground.

Semantics? "Got" does not mean "lead" in this context? But I'm the one being silly?

"Starter" means very little. Perkins was the starting center of the NBA Champions and he pretty much went thru and around LO in most of the series...I guess he "got" his team to the Ring, right?

How about Rondo? He was the floor general. He "got" his team to the ring?

Things you say about LO are "silly" when applied to any other player in a similar role as LO on ANY other team...but not LO...NO, not LO. Let's change the meaning of every word in the english dictionary when used in a sentence referring to Lamar Odom... Good luck with that.

5 players on a team? Yeah...but they aren't all equal. You wouldn't put Fisher on the same level as Lamar, just as most rational people won't DARE put Lamar in the same sentence as Kobe OR Pau...

Sense that is common...plain and simple. Admit that you mis-spoke or admit that you are speaking as a fan of Lamar. Either one is true...and I'm not particular which you choose (if you choose either).



Does it matter? Lamar played hurt...that's only "NEWS" because of his history of NOT playing hurt.

If that were DEC-trade deadline, that would have been a BUNCH of DNP-INJ...we all know why...


Not a big deal. LO has tendonitis...that should make the decision on whether or not to keep him even easier...

[oregonlakerguy]

Semantics? "Got" does not mean "lead" in this context? But I'm the one being silly?

"Starter" means very little. Perkins was the starting center of the NBA Champions and he pretty much went thru and around LO in most of the series...I guess he "got" his team to the Ring, right?

How about Rondo? He was the floor general. He "got" his team to the ring?

Things you say about LO are "silly" when applied to any other player in a similar role as LO on ANY other team...but not LO...NO, not LO. Let's change the meaning of every word in the english dictionary when used in a sentence referring to Lamar Odom... Good luck with that.

5 players on a team? Yeah...but they aren't all equal. You wouldn't put Fisher on the same level as Lamar, just as most rational people won't DARE put Lamar in the same sentence as Kobe OR Pau...

Sense that is common...plain and simple. Admit that you mis-spoke or admit that you are speaking as a fan of Lamar. Either one is true...and I'm not particular which you choose (if you choose either).



Does it matter? Lamar played hurt...that's only "NEWS" because of his history of NOT playing hurt.

If that were DEC-trade deadline, that would have been a BUNCH of DNP-INJ...we all know why...


Not a big deal. LO has tendonitis...that should make the decision on whether or not to keep him even easier...

So I am the one who is twisting? You are the one who is claiming that starter means nothing.
Yes I value Fishers contribution as much as Lamar's. Both were key contributors. That's how teams work.
I really don't get the need to have a pecking order, but I will certainly admit that Lamar was below Kobe and Pau in that order. I did not misspeak. Lamar's efforts were a major part of the drive to the finals. You may like to cut off the importance after the #2 guy, but I don't. That's just your thing. How about next year when Bynum is likely that #3 guy. Will the top two be the only important ones then?
All five are important. Actually it's closer to eight or nine that are important, but hey, we will likely never see the team the same. You think anyone who appreciates Lamar Odom is an idiot. I don't happen to think I am an idiot. Not much common ground there.
Yes Odom plays hurt. It's well documented as one of his negatives by his detractors. Torn labrum ring a bell?

[insert coin here]

90% of the Lakers roster were playing hurt, what else is new?

[GCMD]

Any update on LO's tendonitis?