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[Weps]

Who was??? Oakley???

He won it in 1988.
So Dumars.

[cuguabunga]

He won it in 1988.
So Dumars.

???

The point is that Jordan never had a big man like Shaq, Pau, or even Bynum. He was the low post option in the triangle. That's why he shot 50%.

That's why Kobe have better 3 fg%. Big guys creates open shots for guards.
And what happen with Kobe % in Kwame years???

[Weps]

???

You're askin' who was the best defender in the league when Jordan won the DPOY?
Ok, I gave you the answer.
Dumars.

[cuguabunga]

You're askin' who was the best defender in the league when Jordan won the DPOY?
Ok, I gave you the answer.
Dumars.

Dumars is a great defender, but i was askin in the bulls team.

Weird, Dumars not even in the 1st and 2nd defensive team that year.

Edited by cuguabunga, July 22, 2009 - 06:48 AM.

[Weps]

Oh yeah, and Battier, the best defender in the league, this year was in the Second All Defensive Team

[Grandpa Herman]

The point is that Jordan never had a big man like Shaq, Pau, or even Bynum. He was the low post option in the triangle. That's why he shot 50%.

Kobe didn't have a low post presence for three years and didn't shoot 50% in any of those either.

[Imadogg]

Recently (as usual) I saw people bringing up how Kobe never shoots 50% and MJ did so often and all that. Check my first post. There's a shift in eras and it's very difficult to compare between eras, you need to compare each player to his peers and when comparing eras it's not the best idea to just use "per game" numbers or these FG% or whatever numbers.

I'll write it out like this too:

Jordan came into the league in the 1984-85 season. He retired for the last time after 2002-03. During that time, he shot 50%+ 6 times in his career. Besides him, these guards shot 50% in a season during MJ's career (min 15ppg, qualified for scoring title)...
1. Otis Birdsong
2. Rolando Blackman
3. Mo Cheeks
4. Walter Davis
5. Sherman Douglas
6. Clyde Drexler
7. Joe Dumars
8. Blue Edwards
9. Dale Ellis
10. Sleepy Floyd
11. George Gervin
12. Penny Hardaway
13. Derek Harper
14. Ron Harper
15. Jeff Hornacek
16. Jay Humphries
17. Kevin Johnson
18. Magic Johnson
19. Reggie Lewis
20. Lewis Lloyd
21. Jeff Malone
22. Sarunas Marciulionis
23. Reggie Miller
24. Gary Payton
25. Drazen Petrovic
26. Terry Porter
27. Paul Pressey
28. Mark Price
29. Alvin Robertson
30. Byron Scott
31. Derek Smith
32. Kenny Smith
33. John Stockton
34. Sedale Threatt
35. Doug West

Yea. 35 other guards in that timeframe shot 50% or higher in a season (57 times combined). There were guards shooting 50% every year of his career until... the 1995-96 season. After that, until he retired in 2003, not one guard ever shot 50%.



Kobe came into the league in the 1996-97 season. He has never shot 50% in his career. During his career, these guards shot 50% or higher in a season...
1. Monta Ellis
2. Steve Nash
3. Tony Parker
4. Chris Paul
5. Deron Williams

.... Yea. Only 5 guards cracked 50% shooting during Kobe's career (12 times combined). All point guards (or whatever hybrid Monta is if you don't wanna call him that). Little guys nonetheless. None of Kobe's shooting guard peers cracked the 50% mark. Hell, after 1996, no guard shot 50% until Steve Nash in 2004-2005.




So just take all this into account before you bring up a simple "Kobe never shoots 50% and MJ does!!!!1"

[Game]

^good stuff ima

wow, all points...bet if you check the shot charts too, the vast majority of their shots are at the rim

cept nash, one of(arguably the greatest - see john hollinger article somewhere) shooter of all time

[JRG_24]

Check this site out.

http://ko8e.blogspot...9/zone-era.html

Gives league statistics before/during the zone. It also shows testemonies from NBA players speaking about the zone and how tough it is.

I'm not taking anything away from MJ at all, he's definitely the GOAT. BUT, to say Isolation defense was better than a defense that clogs up openings and allows multiple defenders being thrown at you, is absolutely ridiculous. I just don't see how a brain allows the mind to think that way.

We all know here, what Kobe can do against Isolation defense. Dude torched Battier+Artest in 09.

Nice research, Imadogg.

Edited by JRG_24, September 08, 2010 - 10:10 AM.

[Mega Man]

Jordan was DPOY the same year he won MVP. Jordan also had a great post up game. Kobe seldom posts up. Jordan also was the better driver as he was more explosive to the hoop.

Kobe get's doubled or tripled before he can even establish a solid post position.

[Saber]

+1 Ima. Great stuff

[steven v]

A dunk and a layup is treating the same way as a 19 foot fall away jumper over defenders.

[ColStac]

This argument is so old and pointless.

[LALakersFan4Life]

With the new rules and due to Kobe's age. I don't think Kobe can shoot at 50%. Unless this was younger Kobe without the bad shot selection. I think Kobe can hit around 47-49% from the field like the other wing players like D-Wade, Melo, Durant and Pierce.