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#21 Grandpa Herman

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 04:13 PM

Yep, greatest player of all-time.

The stats are just available for when Kobe has games where he doesn't pass the ball enough.

If Bryant were to shoot an average of 33 times in this series, half of TLN would be moaning about Gasol not getting enough touches. Hell, they already are.

Seeing MJ shoot 36, 43 and 37 times in three consecutive NBA Finals games...pretty crazy.

But then again if Kobe has Gasol he really shouldn't be taking that many shots unless he has to. Jordan didn't have a post player like Gasol in either of the three-peat runs.
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 04:18 PM

Great post and great point.

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 04:22 PM

Excellent post man
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 04:59 PM

Great post
though Jordan was greater than Kobe, its not by much. And I still believe that one's career doesnt dictate how good they were. I mean Karl Malone never won, and he was better than Tim Duncan IMO. CB was better than Garnett to me
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 05:23 PM

But then again if Kobe has Gasol he really shouldn't be taking that many shots unless he has to. Jordan didn't have a post player like Gasol in either of the three-peat runs.

Horace Grant had a season of 14/10 on 58% shooting for the Bulls, on 10 shot attempts per game. That's a similar, maybe better, percentage than what Gasol puts up for us.

And even then, he still had Scottie, who is twice the player Gasol is.

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 05:26 PM

C'mon you know any person claiming Kobe is playing poorly isn't old enough to have seen any of those series. ;)

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 07:01 PM

Horace Grant had a season of 14/10 on 58% shooting for the Bulls, on 10 shot attempts per game. That's a similar, maybe better, percentage than what Gasol puts up for us.

And even then, he still had Scottie, who is twice the player Gasol is.

Horace Grant wasn't a post player tho. Bill Cartwright was the man in the middle for the Bulls back then. Grant was a mid range shooter.

But even with that aside, my point is that if Jordan had had a post player of Pau's caliber you probably never would've seen some of those 33 field goal attempt games. The game is made easier for a dominant guard like Jordan and Kobe with a great post player.

Horace Grant wasn't nearly as talented on offense as Pau is.

Edited by Casper, June 11, 2009 - 07:14 PM.

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 07:11 PM

Horace Grant wasn't a post player tho. Bill Cartwright was the man in the middle for the Bulls back then. Grant was a mid range shooter.

But even with that aside, my point is that if Jordan had had a post player if Pau's caliber you probably never would've seen some of those 33 field goal attempt games. The game is made easier for a dominant guard like Jordan and Kobe with a great post player.

Horace Grant wasn't nearly as talented on offense as Pau is.

but he was equally effective overall
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 07:15 PM

but he was equally effective overall

So do you think we would still be as good as we are with Pau if we were to replace him with Horace Grant? If not then what you say doesn't flow with my point.
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:00 PM

So do you think we would still be as good as we are with Pau if we were to replace him with Horace Grant? If not then what you say doesn't flow with my point.

...and replace Odom with Pippen?

Yes.

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:06 PM

...and replace Odom with Pippen?

Yes.

No, just Gasol and Grant.
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:07 PM

No, just Gasol and Grant.

Jordan had both Grant and Pippen to pass to. That's my point.

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:10 PM

MJ was 6-0 though while kobe is 3-2

not completely his fault but still
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:12 PM

Jordan had both Grant and Pippen to pass to. That's my point.



But that doesn't flow with Casper's point. ;)

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:12 PM

what were the outcomes of most of those games where MJ overshot

exactly and thats why kobe shooting too much is an issue
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:16 PM

Jordan had both Grant and Pippen to pass to. That's my point.

Pippen was great but as I said before, Grant was a mid range shooter. He wasn't as dependable a player down low as Pau is, nor did he possess Pau's repertoire. Argue that Grant shot a high field goal percentage but you can't compare his offense to Pau's. If he was that good of an offensive player Jordan would've trusted him more.
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:17 PM

Pippen was great but as I said before, Grant was a mid range shooter. He wasn't as dependable a player down low as Pau is, nor did he possess Pau's repertoire. Argue that Grant shot a high field goal percentage but you can't compare his offense to Pau's. If he was that good of an offensive player Jordan would've trusted him more.

It looks like Jordan didn't trust many people at all in the second three-peat, and this is coming from a huge, huge Jordan fan.

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:18 PM

But that doesn't flow with Casper's point. ;)

Well that doesn't matter because I was the one responding to him.
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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:18 PM

I used to love watching Jordan play, the whole Bulls team in fact. MJ, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Ron Harper, Steve Kerr, etc. Those guys were awesome. That team was just FULL of talent all around. Jordan was fortunate as well to play with at least 2 or 3 hall of famers there as well.

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Posted June 11, 2009 - 11:19 PM

the simple point is i believe both kobe and MJ were wrong in their over-shooting

MJ is not free from criticism and neither is kobe
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