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#21 Real Deal

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 08:32 AM

I guess so. I see a W. I saw a team out tough another team when the game was at its toughest. pau big RB's. LO huge block. trev/fish hitting huge pressure 3's. pau's interior D forcing bad attempts. Scrambling stifling D from 5 deep when the game was maddening late

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Pau's interior defense? What? He had TWO good defensive plays, and they were both back-to-back. Other than that, Gasol's defense sucked. Badly.

And the only stifling defense we have played all playoffs long came in Game 7 against the Rockets. Good defense is different from stifling defense.

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 08:32 AM

any news on smiths injury

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 08:33 AM

I'm one of the fans that will tell you, before anyone else, that we are soft up front.

Gasol needs to back his man into the paint, get mean and force his way to the rim. A finesse Gasol puts him too far from the rim, which kills our spacing because he ends up too close to Bryant.

You say we came up tough in a very tough game. Kobe did. I didn't see anyone else do much in that fourth, outside of Trevor's steal.

Nene's defense has always been overrated by the Nuggets fans. Chris Andersen was sitting for a while, as something happened to him (not sure what), and he comes off the bench to begin with. Gasol should've dominated, offensively, but he's not strong enough.

All the while, Odom is forced to play a guard role, because K-Mart will just push him out of the paint.

We can't match their physical play, period. Kobe even has trouble matching Melo's physical defense (and a bit too physical, same with Jones), and when that happens, you know the only other guy who can get truly physical on this team is Derek Fisher. Ariza was getting abused by Melo all game long, Bynum's defense was the complete opposite of his offense, Shannon was getting laid out and thrown to the ground, and Luke's physical play comes to an end when he's having to defend anyone on this team that decides to take him into the post.

I guess you see it differently. I see the glaring problems we had against Houston, against Utah, and against Boston in last year's NBA Finals.


I agree.

The problem is that some of the time, I am not sure if it's lack of physical strength or lack of mental strength. In other words, I'm not sure if the Lakers are physically soft or just soft in the head. Maybe abit of both. Maybe the players even need to work on their conditioning, as they don't seem to be able to play at the same intensity all throughout the game.

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 08:34 AM

Pau's interior defense? What? He had TWO good defensive plays, and they were both back-to-back. Other than that, Gasol's defense sucked. Badly.

And the only stifling defense we have played all playoffs long came in Game 7 against the Rockets. Good defense is different from stifling defense.

When it mattered we knuckled up and and made everything tough on them late.
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Posted May 20, 2009 - 09:06 AM

hell no we weren't prepared and you could see that from the look on george karls face

he knows they lost on a night in which they were playing much better and more prepared than us
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Posted May 20, 2009 - 09:26 AM

When it mattered we knuckled up and and made everything tough on them late.

The entire game matters, not just the last 3-4 minutes. We still had to pray for Kobe's offensive onslaught.

If Phil had sat Kobe for the first 4-5 minutes of the fourth, as he always does, we would've lost this game...and I'm not comfortable with that, especially at home.

It's time we go to LA for Game 2 and make it tough on Denver for 48 minutes.

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 09:48 AM

we will win game 2 by 10+ i guarantee it. listen the nuggets played great, got calls, and we played horrible aside from kobe and still when it mattered most down the stretch we proved why we went to the finals last year.
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Posted May 20, 2009 - 12:31 PM

The entire game matters, not just the last 3-4 minutes. We still had to pray for Kobe's offensive onslaught.

If Phil had sat Kobe for the first 4-5 minutes of the fourth, as he always does, we would've lost this game...and I'm not comfortable with that, especially at home.

It's time we go to LA for Game 2 and make it tough on Denver for 48 minutes.

I disagree. yes 48 min of d is ideal but no one not even bulls of late play 48 all out. Kobe had to play and has to play more than usual because its the WCF. All year when its time we play outstanding stretches of D. It throws other team way out of whack and we gain advanatge.

Long lay offs like the nuggs had is good when the road team, its not IMo when the home team. They had way more legs than us, played great and still lost. I wont lie and say their length wasnt an issue but having to play a really short team 2 nights before will cause that.

Kobes onslaught is just that. thats what he does. IIRC it was the same story last year game1 against SAS. They jumped us, we won late. This is kobe series to score more than other series
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Posted May 20, 2009 - 12:33 PM

Melo wont shoot 70% again, and I doubt Martin throws that stupid little shot he does in for the rest of the series. Billups hit two miracle 3's, one of which shouldnt have counted. I mean I think we were as ready as you could have been, not like they changed what they do, we have played them 4 times already this season.

Was good to see Fisher hitting some big shots. But yea Kobe closed it for us.

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:09 PM

and I doubt Martin throws that stupid little shot he does in for the rest of the series.


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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:22 PM

I disagree. yes 48 min of d is ideal but no one not even bulls of late play 48 all out. Kobe had to play and has to play more than usual because its the WCF. All year when its time we play outstanding stretches of D. It throws other team way out of whack and we gain advanatge.

Long lay offs like the nuggs had is good when the road team, its not IMo when the home team. They had way more legs than us, played great and still lost. I wont lie and say their length wasnt an issue but having to play a really short team 2 nights before will cause that.

Kobes onslaught is just that. thats what he does. IIRC it was the same story last year game1 against SAS. They jumped us, we won late. This is kobe series to score more than other series

Bottomline, Kobe should never have to do all that he did last night. This team is too deep and talented for even the best player in the world to need to do that to get a win. The fact that he needed to means this rest of this team underachieved. 48 minutes of going all out is crazy, but 48 minutes of effort isn't. Teams out there are able to give 48 minutes of effort, not perfection, just effort. That isn't what happened last night. Like Phil said, they outplayed us. We were the ones who stole that win from them. That's not going to cut it for the rest of the series.

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:26 PM

Bottomline, Kobe should never have to do all that he did last night. This team is too deep and talented for even the best player in the world to need to do that to get a win. The fact that he needed to means this rest of this team underachieved. 48 minutes of going all out is crazy, but 48 minutes of effort isn't. Teams out there are able to give 48 minutes of effort, not perfection, just effort. That isn't what happened last night. Like Phil said, they outplayed us. We were the ones who stole that win from them. That's not going to cut it for the rest of the series.

Pau led the game in RB's we had 10 blocks. kobe IIRC shot a bit too much early (thats on him). Funny how Melo didnt too much.

I dont care what PJ says. he also said we didnt get Pau the ball enough. he also said before the game that we were going to have to win by gutting it out. I dont care if we supposedly "stole the game". W.

Yes we can win every game playing exactly like that
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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:37 PM

:lol: Yea who cares what Phil says and all the rest of the players for that matter. Right...

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:38 PM

Pau led the game in RB's we had 10 blocks. kobe IIRC shot a bit too much early (thats on him). Funny how Melo didnt too much.

I dont care what PJ says. he also said we didnt get Pau the ball enough. he also said before the game that we were going to have to win by gutting it out. I dont care if we supposedly "stole the game". W.

Yes we can win every game playing exactly like that


We didn't get Pau the ball enough. Most of his points were from Offensive boards.

We did win the game by gutting it out. What else do you call coming back from a deficit AT HOME IN THE FOURTH??

Are you actually trying to say you are better informed than PJ? Seriously?

There is absolutely no way in hell we can pull off a win at the Pepsi Center playing like we did.

Not a chance.

Edited by Gabis, May 20, 2009 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:39 PM

^hi_ma must've watched a different game from everyone else. Heck, from all the post-game interviews, even the players know they underachieved last night.

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:44 PM

Daco i completely agree with this team kobe should never have to win one for us that was 2 years ago not now

champions get it from all sides not one
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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:44 PM

We didn't get Pau the ball enough. Most of his points were from Offensive boards.

We did win the game by gutting it out. What else do you call coming back from a deficit AT HOME IN THE FOURTH??

Are you actually trying to say you are better informed than PJ? Seriously?

There is absolutely no way in hell we can pull off a win at the Pepsi Center playing like we did tonight.

Not a chance.

No. what i am saying is that yes we can win every game playing exactly like we did. also PJ is notorious for saying anything. Did they outplay us? I dont know. You tell me. my team won.

Pau was top rebounder. had 6 offensive. he had a huge block late on melo
Ariza had a huge steal. Played chauncey tough late and if not for a missed out of bounds call.
Fish hit huge shot late
LO huge block late

So no kobe didnt do it all by himself. and regardless of numbers, rebounds is an effort stat. IIRC we owned that.

Lets not confuse outplaying with looking prettier. My guys on minimal rest against a completely different team did nothing put play hard
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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:49 PM

No. what i am saying is that yes we can win every game playing exactly like we did. also PJ is notorious for saying anything. Did they outplay us? I dont know. You tell me. my team won.

Pau was top rebounder. had 6 offensive. he had a huge block late on melo
Ariza had a huge steal. Played chauncey tough late and if not for a missed out of bounds call.
Fish hit huge shot late
LO huge block late

So no kobe didnt do it all by himself. and regardless of numbers, rebounds is an effort stat. IIRC we owned that.

Lets not confuse outplaying with looking prettier. My guys on minimal rest against a completely different team did nothing put play hard


if kobe scores his normal 27ppg we lose by 11 so yes kobe did virtually win this game all by himself with help from fisher and ariza and gasol(on the boards only)

because not only did kobe score for us he also had to play defense on whoever was going offensively he played carmelo and held him in check until luke or ariza went on him, held billups in check all those big shots were when fisher was guarding him

kobe did everything but hand his teammates gatorade

if we don't change the style we will not win this series and even if we do the finals would be that much harder with kobe exhausted from carrying a team of talented softies
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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:52 PM

If you're going to quote my post, at least respond to things that I actually said.

You took two PJ quotes that you, apparently, found incorrect and used them as a way to back up your comment that you don't care what he says.

My point is that both the quotes were absolutely, 1000000% accurate.


Where can I buy these "Lakers are perfect and infallable" blinders everyone has on?

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Posted May 20, 2009 - 01:54 PM

If you're going to quote my post, at least respond to things that I actually said.

You took two PJ quotes that you, apparently, found incorrect and used them as a way to back up your comment that you don't care what he says.

My point is that both the quotes were absolutely, 1000000% accurate.


Where can I buy these "Lakers are perfect and infallable" blinders everyone has on?


PM some of the posters here they will send them to you promptly
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