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#81 shotta

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Posted March 13, 2009 - 09:20 PM

Agree^^
I wanted to add to that Both Danny Ferry and Mitch Kupchak have done a tremendous job making sure both of their teams were able to contend for their respective divisons and built around their star players. If what you're noticing is the bar that's been raised by each individual team mate of the Cavs and the Lakers in terms of play along with the facets that come along with Kobe or Lebron's game you have to definitely give it to Kobe. Lebron's defnitely not playing with scrubs and has to do more offensively and defensively because his teammates aren't able to in order to win a game. Kobe has a very insignificant difference to Lebron's numbers because his team mates make up for it. MVP? Kobe. Better all around player because his effectiveness reaches his teammates? Kobe.

If you're looking at highlights and numbers on NBA TV 'Bron would be an easy choice but with all due respect if your team's down 1 with a second left and you could give the last shot in any situation to the cavs and bron or to the lakers and Kobe, who would you give it to? There's alot of great players and I'm not taking anything away from Lebron. He's an amazing player- but Kobe played with greats and is the "80's baby" of how far this league has come since Lebron entered the game. If Lebron had Kobe's history then your post would make sense but the way I see it, you can't be the king if you've never had the throne.



you know you do have some good points ,how can the NBA regard lebron james has a king and he has never won a championship ring.....but then again how can Kobe be great when he never won a ring without Shaq as yet .

i am not really talking about accomplishments as much as talent. WHICH is offensive moves,defense,team play,and bball iq. because if you talk about rings and awards and accomplishment so many good nba players can come to my mind of who had talent but not a team to win. like if you compared the houston rocket great Akeem Olajawon with tim duncan . many discussion have been made on them of who was better and the accomplishments they had .


has for last minute shots i would rather Robert horry taking a shot than kobe any day . so that does not count either.
and it depends too because if it is a play to the basket i would want lebron.


has for talent again ...............the tread say it all lebron is quickly dethroning Kobe. but in my opinion he has this year!!!!!!!

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Posted March 13, 2009 - 09:51 PM

I don't think LeBron is smart enough to learn the Triangle and to be succesful with it

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Posted March 13, 2009 - 10:04 PM

YOu guys know what people dont get???
Lebron look to past the ball because he cant shoot during crucnh time and sorry to say this but lebron will never ever be a clutch player if he never ever ever learn how to shoot jumpers consistently against good teams.

and your telling me that lebron is better than kobe RIGHT NOW????
dude not even close!
KOBE IS THE BEST IN THE NBA RIGHT NOW!!
plain AND simple
even ask people around the NBA including LEBRON himself!

AND To add something
did you know that the CLEVELAND CAVALIERS have the easiest schedule this SEASON??

Edited by Lakerfan101, March 13, 2009 - 10:08 PM.


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Posted March 13, 2009 - 10:16 PM

and to add a couple of things
LEbron is playing along side veterans
who are solid and a proven experience guys.

while kobe is leading a young and inexperienced guys
only the proven champion in this team aside from KOBE is Fisher

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Posted March 13, 2009 - 10:23 PM

Kobe is the best player in the league and he will be for the next few years as well. Lebron will take over after that. Lebron is just a bigger body than Kobe, everything else talent wise Kobe surpasses Lebron. Kobe has a much better jumpshot along with much more range and hes a better defender. Both of their court vision is great its just Kobe decides to run his offense through the team while Lebron runs the team with the ball in his hands most of the time. The only thing Lebron has over Kobe is the ability to get to the basket(Kobe is great at that as well) and rebounding(mostly because of his size).

Edited by Shooter871, March 13, 2009 - 10:24 PM.

:fisher: / :kobe: / :artest: / :pau: / :bynum:

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Posted March 13, 2009 - 11:27 PM

:lol: @ shotta thinking kobe's D is overrated.

i'm sure somebody's already mentioned this...

look at it this way, when lebron loses his speed & strength (easily his greatest assets), without a reliable jumper or post-up game, what good will lebron be?

na-da.

he's still got a long way to go and he's gonna have a helluva career, but come on, to still think lebron is a more complete player than kobe, nonsense.

Edited by androsays, March 13, 2009 - 11:30 PM.


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Posted March 13, 2009 - 11:45 PM

Shotta, I guess grammar, punctuation, and spelling aren't your strong points.

Don't you guys think he's just baiting you guys into this whole debacle? He barely joined yesterdat at 5pm. He lost all credibility the moment he said "Lebron has the better post-up game."

Ask any NBA player who is better. 99.9% will say Kobe, and I think they know just a tad bit more about basketball than you do.

has for last minute shots i would rather Robert horry taking a shot than kobe any day . so that does not count either.

Horry can't create his own shot, Kobe can. What happens if Horry can't get free for an open shot?

Edited by AkademikONE, March 13, 2009 - 11:47 PM.


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Posted March 13, 2009 - 11:51 PM

Sorry, took this from another thread in NBA talk, but I just had to, Real Deal is so spot on here:

I don't think we could.

Cleveland has only one loss at home, and it might be that way all season long. Granted that the loss is against us, I'm not so confident that we will win all of our games in Los Angeles, and losing in Cleveland is a certainty at least once in that series.

Mo Williams is a little too good for my liking, and I know how we let up on shooters. West, Gibson, Pavlovic and Williams will all shoot the ball.

I'm definitely not worried about LeBron. Kobe has held him to 14-45 shooting in those two games. But LeBron does a little more than just score, and his teammates actually convert his passes into assists.


With the way our bench has been playing lately, we're going to need everyone in full health, and those bench players catching fire, if we beat Cleveland without home court.

I totally agree. Point being that LeBron's teammates and overall team really are a lot better than what SOME people tend to think (those that think Kobe's teammates are THAT much better).

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Posted March 13, 2009 - 11:55 PM

Shotta, I guess grammar, punctuation, and spelling aren't your strong points.

Don't you guys think he's just baiting you guys into this whole debacle? He barely joined yesterdat at 5pm. He lost all credibility the moment he said "Lebron has the better post-up game."

Ask any NBA player who is better. 99.9% will say Kobe, and I think they know just a tad bit more about basketball than you do.


Horry can't create his own shot, Kobe can. What happens if Horry can't get free for an open shot?

I'm willing to bet that shotta had absolutely no idea what a post-up game was until he came here and googled it right after he was embarrassed.

Like I said, he probably just read a couple of pro-LBJ articles, and spent a few hours on message boards reading posts from LBJ-jockers. Then he came here thinking he can wing it and talk out of his [expletive]. Obviously that didn't work.

Edited by daco_inc, March 13, 2009 - 11:58 PM.


#90 Tobias Fünke

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:02 AM

I think the post-up game is what gives Kobe the slight edge right now.
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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:11 AM

Kobe
-more rounded scorer
-better defender
-better post-up player
-better footwork
-clutch factor
-ambidextrous

Lebron

-stronger
-bigger
-can finish better (due to sheer strength)
-crab dribble

The crab dribble was the deciding factor. Best player right now hands down is Lebron James.

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:12 AM

Can't believe that 'crab dribble' may actually become legal.

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:26 AM

LeBron is dang good - - as long as he doesn't ave to step up in big games.

The guy fades quicker than 8-tracks did.

I like LeBron's game, but he's got a ways to go yet.

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:27 AM

shotta, are you Jamaican?

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:28 AM

haha

random question


i hope there's some evidence behind this haha

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:31 AM

LeBron is dang good - - as long as he doesn't ave to step up in big games.

The guy fades quicker than 8-tracks did.

I like LeBron's game, but he's got a ways to go yet.

So I'm assuming you watched the Suns/Cavs, huh? ;)

LeBron actually did fine tonight against the Kings (not sure if you watched that one), and I say he did fine because he put up 51, but he missed that one big free throw at the end to win it all, and after hitting a layup and one, then a three, he missed a jumper and two wide-open threes to end the game.

Didn't like his defense tonight, either. Kevin Martin blew past him quite a bit when LBJ was on him (and should've done it again to end the fourth, instead of taking that three).

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:34 AM

shotta, are you Jamaican?

..cause he's Jamaican us crazy!

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:34 AM

kevin martin isn't exactly the easiest person to guard though, great speed and a great range

but he's no superstar haha, was the game close?

edit* cavs won, it was close but i'm not gonna hate cuz we lost to them haha

Edited by androsays, March 14, 2009 - 12:38 AM.


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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:41 AM

again i recpect everyone's opinion , and i do believe he is the better offensive player , but as for the better player i think that goes to lebron. kobe at lebron age was not as good as lebron is now. kobe is in is 30's too he will regress very soon he does not have the amount of time has every one thinks.

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Posted March 14, 2009 - 12:47 AM

1a. 1b.




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