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#1 Real Deal

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 12:19 PM

All season long, we've had five different starting lineups.

Anyone want to explain to me why we haven't started the "big three" together?

C - Bynum
PF - Gasol
SF - Odom

SG - Kobe
PG - Fisher

If you're worried about what guy will facilitate off the bench, you have Walton. He's a bench player.

Watching Lakers games and seeing us struggle in the first quarter most of the time, I really wonder why we haven't gone big, like the 80's Celtics did with Bird, McHale and Parish.

Do you realize how many blocked shots and rebounds we can potentially gain from this? A second unit containing Ariza, Walton, Farmar and Vujacic (and probably Gasol playing center) would be pretty good if people started hitting their shots, or even Morrison and Shannon Brown inserted in there somewhere.

How about maybe trying to dominate the game from the beginning, instead of keeping it close until the fourth, and crossing our fingers that Bryant will bail us out after going down by ten? We lost to Boston because we weren't physical enough, weren't big enough...so why not go this route?

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 12:21 PM

Anyone want to explain to me why we haven't started the "big three" together?


Do you know what is the triangle offense and what the SF should do?

Edited by Master Zen, March 02, 2009 - 12:21 PM.



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Posted March 02, 2009 - 12:22 PM

I've been thinking the same thing all season long, but I guess Phil want's a balance on the starting 5 and also on the bench. If Bynum came back before the playoffs, I'd like to see that lineup.

I love how Fisher's mixed into the "big line-up". :lol:

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 01:43 PM

Do you know what is the triangle offense and what the SF should do?

L.O can knock down 3-s, if that's what you mean.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 01:52 PM

Do you know what is the triangle offense and what the SF should do?

http://www.otrbasket...?showtopic=4382

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If you're trying to tell me that we have to have a three-point shooter at the three, you can help explain why Walton is starting.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:07 PM

Тоо many big bodies inside... ( at least that's what PJ told about playing Drew, Pau and Lamar together I think ). But I think that Real Deal's right. Phil should try this lineup if Bynum comes back healthy. Too bad it's going to be too late for experiments...


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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:19 PM

http://www.otrbasket...?showtopic=4382

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If you're trying to tell me that we have to have a three-point shooter at the three, you can help explain why Walton is starting.


Phil put Luke in the lineup because he wanted better ball movement on offense. That was after few games with too much one-on-one and with good reason. He's bringing that, better ball movement.

I think Jax just want a good punch from the benc and it is with LO, that's a +. The team is more balanced like this.


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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:24 PM

Тоо many big bodies inside... ( at least that's what PJ told about playing Drew, Pau and Lamar together I think ). But I think that Real Deal's right. Phil should try this lineup if Bynum comes back healthy. Too bad it's going to be too late for experiments...

There's never too many big bodies inside.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:31 PM

Phil put Luke in the lineup because he wanted better ball movement on offense. That was after few games with too much one-on-one and with good reason. He's bringing that, better ball movement.

I think Jax just want a good punch from the benc and it is with LO, that's a +. The team is more balanced like this.

Like THIS, like we are now.

But when Bynum comes back, Odom goes to the bench, and he starts to suck again. Nobody can convince me that he played good off the bench, because he didn't. It was terrible.

Ball movement happens with Odom. That's why he's on the bench with the second unit, right?

If our bench is so bad right now, we can put Walton there for ball movement. That's what he's in the starting five for, right?

I don't see the difference. Ball movement happens when we pass, and all five of our starters can pass the ball in that lineup.

Putting Odom on the bench means that we have Walton starting, which means we lack toughness in that five, and that's going to kill us against a healthy Celtics squad, and I don't even want to begin telling you how bad LeBron is going to destroy Walton in the playoffs, if Kobe has to shy away from him to produce more on offense.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:40 PM

In this case, we should start Trevor Ariza, not Lamar Odom...

Better defender and I think NOW, better shooter.

I agree with you, we need more toughness and defense, but in Phil's mind I don't think it's same. That's why Luke starts and Radma started before


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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:46 PM

Too many big bodies inside, as mentioned earlier. Odom, Pau and Bynum will all get in each others way.

If Odom had a 3 point shot, I would like this idea, but Odom simply cannot shoot from long-range, barely even mid-range, and therefore this idea gets killed. Walton, for as [expletive] of a player he is, can shoot better than Odom and therefore is a better player to have in the lineup.

Ultimately, I actually preffered Radman in the lineup most, because he can shoot, but also is a decent defender size wise. Of course, he was very inconsistent and had his "WTF??!?!?" nights, which is probably one of the reasons he got traded :D.

Either way, I dislike all of our current SF options, but Walton starting with Odom off of the bench means that things don't get too clogged up downlow offensively and on the boards.
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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:46 PM

In this case, we should start Trevor Ariza, not Lamar Odom...

Better defender and I think NOW, better shooter.

I agree with you, we need more toughness and defense, but in Phil's mind I don't think it's same. That's why Luke starts and Radma started before


No way Ariza is better shooter than Odom is.. NO WAY.


On defense, we all know the asnwer.

Edited by #24, March 02, 2009 - 02:47 PM.


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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:52 PM

Odom isn't really a big body, he just grabs boards. He doesn't play big under the rim.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:54 PM

Odom isn't really a big body, he just grabs boards. He doesn't play big under the rim.


But the majority of his scoring comes from where?

As for grabbing boards, what if Bynum finds himself rolled over Odom's foot again?
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Posted March 02, 2009 - 03:03 PM

But the majority of his scoring comes from where?

As for grabbing boards, what if Bynum finds himself rolled over Odom's foot again?


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I'm with RD here

why not?

put your 5 best players and let them go to work...they'll blow the competition away. And I also think this is a much better defensive unit.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 03:35 PM

Ariza prefers coming off of the bench. I want to see our best 5 players on the floor when Bynum comes back.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 03:40 PM

Ariza prefers coming off of the bench. I want to see our best 5 players on the floor when Bynum comes back.


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Posted March 02, 2009 - 03:43 PM

For real. Lamar plays much better starting than coming off the bench anyway.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 03:44 PM

The reason Odom will come off the bench is becuase he can go in for Bynum or Gasol. This will allow us to have 2 of the 3 big men.. Odom, Bynum, gasol on the floor at all times. Odom will still get his 30+ minutes as long as he produces. Luke will start because PJ likes the teams chemistry with him out there.
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Posted March 02, 2009 - 04:06 PM

Luke will start because PJ likes the teams chemistry with him out there.

That same team chemistry that allows us to get burned when they are out on the floor?

Luke starts because he gives Phil back massages (and hip massages).




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