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Poll: kobe or Shaq (40 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. kobe 49/11/2 18/38 47% (18 votes [45.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.00%

  2. Shaq 33/7/3 on 13/18 72% (22 votes [55.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.00%

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#21 MDI

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 07:20 PM

That's not the question though. Obviously they had the better team, but who did more to make their team better. Obviously it was Shaq.


His q was vague initially and he didn't add the poll, hence the

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I messed up earlier... Sorry about that..


And oh he trusted them alright...when Kobe got that steal when we were down 5, he immediately gave it to Ariza who HAD AN ETERNITY to shoot a 3 with no one in front of him. He bricked it. We could've cut that lead down to 2....missed shots in critical moments of the game by the rest caused him to jack up shots.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 07:41 PM

And oh he trusted them alright...when Kobe got that steal when we were down 5, he immediately gave it to Ariza who HAD AN ETERNITY to shoot a 3 with no one in front of him. He bricked it. We could've cut that lead down to 2....missed shots in critical moments of the game by the rest caused him to jack up shots.



some see only what kobe did 'wrong' they failed to notice the plays he made throughout the entire game to get his teammates involved, like the play you mentioned and focus only on what they want to see.

i'm the first to criticize kobe's game when he has a bad game, and plays a ME game. he didn't play a me game, he played a game to help his team win, he and pau(eventhough pau is not strong enough to guard shaq) the rest of the team has been out of it for a while now(lamar the last couple of games)

but kobe knows that he gets the blame and we all know that. maybe that's why his teammates sometimes don't care how they play, since they have kobe to blame.

Edited by lili, March 01, 2009 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted March 01, 2009 - 07:46 PM

His q was vague initially and he didn't add the poll, hence the





And oh he trusted them alright...when Kobe got that steal when we were down 5, he immediately gave it to Ariza who HAD AN ETERNITY to shoot a 3 with no one in front of him. He bricked it. We could've cut that lead down to 2....missed shots in critical moments of the game by the rest caused him to jack up shots.


I'm sick and tired of this Kobe excuse. Kobe has a friggin awesome team around him and you're still making the excuse that he doesn't get assists because of his bad teammates? Give me a break.

The whole tone of the game was set by his chucking. You want to know how to make other guys cold? Start chucking the ball.

When you pass and get teammates involved, they aren't going to make every shot. The hope is that they make more than they miss. Just because they missed one or two, doesn't mean it gives you an excuse to CHUCK 38 FGA. Chucking 38 FGA is just being a ballhog. Plain and simple.

Pass the ball...teammates get involved....involved teammates = better confidence....better confidence= better defense.
Gooden>> Lamar Odom. Mo Williams>> Ray Allen>> Gasol. Nene= Gasol.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 08:10 PM

lol at you twisting things around. I'm not even gonna waste my time...

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 08:14 PM

lol at you twisting things around. I'm not even gonna waste my time...

LOL at you calling chucking 38 FGA not necessarily ball hogging.
Gooden>> Lamar Odom. Mo Williams>> Ray Allen>> Gasol. Nene= Gasol.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 08:15 PM

You should NEVER shoot 38 shots in a game. And only 2 assists? It's not like we're playing against some great defense. This is the Suns. TRUST YOUR TEAMMATES.

Shaq got his points while trusting his teammates and getting people involved. Shaq had the superior performance.


Thats true. Seems like Kobe was forcing too much. The ball just didnt seem to go in for him.
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Posted March 01, 2009 - 08:17 PM

Better confidence doesn't make you a better defensive player if you don't have the physicality or the brains to play it in the first place. Come on man.

If you blame Bryant for this loss, you are ignoring the true problem: defense. Kobe did everything right minus scoring 10 points in the last minute of the game. We wouldn't have been in that situation if it wasn't for Phoenix dominating the ball on offense.

38 field goal attempts, nearly 50% shooting, 49 points = bad game? If it wasn't for Bryant's incredible play in the third quarter, and his defense in the fourth, we would've lost by 30.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 08:39 PM

^no doubt that bryant had a GREAT game, shaq just had a better one, specially with his team coming out with the W

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 09:04 PM

Shaq had a better game. High percentage and his team won. Kobe had a great game too but sucked that we lost.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 09:23 PM

Better confidence doesn't make you a better defensive player if you don't have the physicality or the brains to play it in the first place. Come on man.

If you blame Bryant for this loss, you are ignoring the true problem: defense. Kobe did everything right minus scoring 10 points in the last minute of the game. We wouldn't have been in that situation if it wasn't for Phoenix dominating the ball on offense.

38 field goal attempts, nearly 50% shooting, 49 points = bad game? If it wasn't for Bryant's incredible play in the third quarter, and his defense in the fourth, we would've lost by 30.

That's the unfortunate truth. Players play better defense when they are scoring on offense. When they sit and watch Kobe chuck up 38 shots, whether he makes them or not, they lose focus on the defensive end. You give them the ball and they score a little bit, it motivates them to play defense.

You can say that it is unprofessional on their part, but that's just how it is with most players in general.
Gooden>> Lamar Odom. Mo Williams>> Ray Allen>> Gasol. Nene= Gasol.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 09:36 PM

That's the unfortunate truth. Players play better defense when they are scoring on offense. When they sit and watch Kobe chuck up 38 shots, whether he makes them or not, they lose focus on the defensive end. You give them the ball and they score a little bit, it motivates them to play defense.

You can say that it is unprofessional on their part, but that's just how it is with most players in general.

Well then what happened to Pau Gasol?

Why did Smush Parker play poor defense after averaging 10-12 PPG?

Ben Gordon?

Dirk Nowitzki?

Carmelo Anthony?

Consequently, why do defenders such as Bowen and Battier need the ball 1-2 times a game?

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 09:44 PM

Well then what happened to Pau Gasol?

Why did Smush Parker play poor defense after averaging 10-12 PPG?

Ben Gordon?

Dirk Nowitzki?

Carmelo Anthony?

Consequently, why do defenders such as Bowen and Battier need the ball 1-2 times a game?

Ben Gordon, Nowitzki and Anthony are NBA superstars. Dirk Nowtzki tries on defense Role players such as Ariza, Odom, Sasha, Farmar, are younger players who need to score a bit to gain confidence.

We have a younger squad, and younger players tend to lack confidence. We have capable defenders who are inconsistent. These inconsistent players play their best defense when they are able to be involved in the offense.

If we had Battier and Bowen, that'd be great. Those guys are veterans, and have always been mentally tough. But that's not our squad. Kobe needs to understand the squad he is working with, and he should know that jacking up 38 shots is not the way to go. Completely unacceptable.
Gooden>> Lamar Odom. Mo Williams>> Ray Allen>> Gasol. Nene= Gasol.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 09:46 PM

so you want Kobe to babysit these guys?

they need to grow the ef up if they wanna win a championship

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 10:05 PM

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maturity and consistency is key. it's important that the lakers don't let this drag on and that they win their next game.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 10:22 PM

Ben Gordon, Nowitzki and Anthony are NBA superstars. Dirk Nowtzki tries on defense Role players such as Ariza, Odom, Sasha, Farmar, are younger players who need to score a bit to gain confidence.

We have a younger squad, and younger players tend to lack confidence. We have capable defenders who are inconsistent. These inconsistent players play their best defense when they are able to be involved in the offense.

If we had Battier and Bowen, that'd be great. Those guys are veterans, and have always been mentally tough. But that's not our squad. Kobe needs to understand the squad he is working with, and he should know that jacking up 38 shots is not the way to go. Completely unacceptable.

Dude, haha...they are not capable defensive players. Jordan Farmar isn't going to suddenly gain lateral quickness just because he's making shots. Hell, more than likely, he'd get even slower after attempting four or five threes.

When has Vujacic ever played defense? Even when he dropped 15-20 points, he never played a lick of defense. His ability to hang all over guys like a fur coat gets him in trouble, like it did against Chris Paul.

Odom isn't young. He's considered an NBA veteran (10th season now).

Ariza isn't scoring, but he's still playing defense (or trying his hardest to). Kobe gave him that three to cut the lead late in the game, and he took five seconds just to brick it.

Blaming Kobe for everyone else's defensive mishaps...? Doesn't make any sense at all. Confidence doesn't make you a good defensive player, and neither does offensive production.

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 10:31 PM

how can kobe get assists when when he gets his teammates an open look, THEY MISS IT

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Posted March 01, 2009 - 10:58 PM

Shaq. His team won.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 02:26 AM

Dude, haha...they are not capable defensive players. Jordan Farmar isn't going to suddenly gain lateral quickness just because he's making shots. Hell, more than likely, he'd get even slower after attempting four or five threes.

When has Vujacic ever played defense? Even when he dropped 15-20 points, he never played a lick of defense. His ability to hang all over guys like a fur coat gets him in trouble, like it did against Chris Paul.

Odom isn't young. He's considered an NBA veteran (10th season now).

Ariza isn't scoring, but he's still playing defense (or trying his hardest to). Kobe gave him that three to cut the lead late in the game, and he took five seconds just to brick it.

Blaming Kobe for everyone else's defensive mishaps...? Doesn't make any sense at all. Confidence doesn't make you a good defensive player, and neither does offensive production.


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Posted March 02, 2009 - 06:27 AM

Kobe. Just bcos he's Kobe.

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Posted March 02, 2009 - 07:52 AM

Play defense by scoring more? These guys are scoring machines, but the word "defense" is a foreign object to them...

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