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Do you think Steve Nash was the worst MVP selection ever?


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#1 MDI

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:13 PM

not once...but twice he won the MVP. Is he the least deserving MVP ever?

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:16 PM

HIs team won 60 something games and 57 games an improvement of something like 30 games from the previous seasons. I say HELL NO! For all Kobe fans let me just say Kobe deserved the MVP last year. I don't want to be called a Hater. :rolleyes:
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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:18 PM

HIs team won 60 something games and 57 games an improvement of something like 30 games from the previous seasons. I say HELL NO! For all Kobe fans let me just say Kobe deserved the MVP last year. I don't want to be called a Hater. :rolleyes:



Stoudamire missed 27 the year before and the suns played with NO PG for half the season in 03/04

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:22 PM

Stoudamire needs Nash more than Nash needs Stoudamire. Nash makes that team run especially in previous years. He is slowing up now at 35 i think.

Edited by pointguard11, February 22, 2009 - 03:23 PM.

"The way Steve is as a teammate, the way he sets the tone, the way the team kind of takes on his persona. As a coach, that's the best thing in the world. It's easy to coach. He's taking care of the chemistry. You just coach."

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:28 PM

Stoudamire needs Nash more than Nash needs Stoudamire. Nash makes that team run especially in previous years. He is slowing up now at 35 i think.


To an extent yes but Nash wouldn't get open without Stat's screen's either. Guys around the league can set screens but Amare has exceptional ability to set solid screens and make the right cuts at the right time - an underrated aspect of his game. And lets not forget he's an exceptional finisher as well. Wasn't like Amare was garbage in 03/04, the man was still scoring 20 a game

And don't even get me started on defense, the dood's a liability...has been for a decade

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:32 PM

Lots of guys can set a screen but few can set up there teammates like Nash does or did. Nash was the indispenable part in the suns run. Magic wasn't a great defender either but then they don't give mvp's for defense that often. My least deserving award winner would have to go to Dirk Nowitzski.

Edited by pointguard11, February 22, 2009 - 03:34 PM.

"The way Steve is as a teammate, the way he sets the tone, the way the team kind of takes on his persona. As a coach, that's the best thing in the world. It's easy to coach. He's taking care of the chemistry. You just coach."

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:35 PM

He got all those assists cause of the system they were running. With Porter, he was back to the Dallas Nash, score like 18, get 7,8 assists

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:38 PM

Lots of guys can set a screen but few can set up there teammates like Nash does or did. Magic wasn't a great defender either but then they don't give mvp's for defense that often. My least deserving award winner would have to go to Dirk Nowitzski.


Yep Dirk and Nash would be 1 a and 1b in that category.

During the 83-84 and 84-85 seasons, Isiah put up 21.3 and 11.1, then 21.2 and 13.9. During the 1989-90 and 90-91 seasons, Stockton’s LOWEST PPG was 17.2, and LOWEST APG was 14.2. Both have better nos than Nash and neither of them were close to winning the MVP.

just because he can help a great scoring team become greater doesn't excuse him from taking a nap on defense. That goes to show what kind of offensive juggernaut the suns were that he had enough weapons to simply outscore opponents while spending zero energy on defense which is unacceptable

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:43 PM

The problem with Isaiah and Stockton is Bird, Jordan, and Magic.

He got all those assists cause of the system they were running. With Porter, he was back to the Dallas Nash, score like 18, get 7,8 assists


HOw would Magic look if the 80's Lakers ran Chicago type of offense of the 90's?

Edited by pointguard11, February 22, 2009 - 03:43 PM.

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:45 PM

The problem with Isaiah and Stockton is Bird, Jordan, and Magic.



HOw would Magic look if the 80's Lakers ran Chicago type of offense of the 90's?


well he was part of a strictly halfcourt team in the 90/91 lakers where Dunleavy strongly discouraged running. He was able to adjust and help the team go the finals

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 03:54 PM

well he was part of a strictly halfcourt team in the 90/91 lakers where Dunleavy strongly discouraged running. He was able to adjust and help the team go the finals



110 points a game versus 106 a game. Not a big difference. To be more accurate they averaged 96 possessions before dunleavy and 94 with dunleavy. Again not a big difference so it didn't affect Magic that much.

Edited by pointguard11, February 22, 2009 - 03:59 PM.

"The way Steve is as a teammate, the way he sets the tone, the way the team kind of takes on his persona. As a coach, that's the best thing in the world. It's easy to coach. He's taking care of the chemistry. You just coach."

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 04:01 PM

dirk was a worse selection

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 04:10 PM

He deserved 1 that's for sure... He stole one from Shaq IMO...
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Posted February 22, 2009 - 06:12 PM

he deserved the first one. the second one he didnt deserve at all
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Posted February 22, 2009 - 06:20 PM

He Deserved it.

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 07:00 PM

Stockton and even Kevin Johnson put up better numbers than Steve Nash, yet neither of them ever had a first-place vote for MVP.

Nash was a top point guard in the NBA, but the Phoenix Suns' system turned him into a great guard. Surrounding him with shooters and giving him a forward that can defend the point guards (Marion), he had it pretty good, throwing lobs and defending Bruce Bowen.

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 08:53 PM

I think he shouldn't have won back-to-back.

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Posted February 22, 2009 - 11:07 PM

dirk was a worse selection


Dirk was a good pick IMO... 67 wins is 67 wins.

I believe they would have won the chip if they had gone past the warriors who were the arrow to their achilles heel.

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Posted February 23, 2009 - 12:19 AM

He deserved it IMO

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Posted February 23, 2009 - 04:47 AM

Definitely didn't deserve 2, I can live with one. He was indeed created by the system, D'Antoni's style was just sick, put in another great PG that year and he'd win MVP as well.

My vote went to Shaq that year (even though I was super mad/sad he was gone), and Kobe the next, but I can live with Nash getting the first over Shaq.




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