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Poll: Fisher and Walton's Defense (45 member(s) have cast votes)

Is Fisher a good defender?

  1. Yes (26 votes [57.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.78%

  2. No (19 votes [42.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.22%

Is Walton a good defender?

  1. Yes (16 votes [35.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.56%

  2. No (29 votes [64.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.44%

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#21 Makaveli

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 11:37 AM

What the heck are you guys talking about Fish being a bad defender. He's a great defender. He reads the opponents offense well, he knows how opponents offense runs, he's great at taking charges, he can steal the ball, he can defend guys who are 6'6.

There's no point of putting words like defense and Luke Walton in the same sentence..

Edited by Makaveli'#24, February 11, 2009 - 11:39 AM.


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Posted February 11, 2009 - 11:39 AM

Again, right on the money, WC21. Very accurate and very enlightening. I vaguely recall one playoff game last year when D-Fish frustrated D-Wil for most of the game, but D-Wil finally got red hot and there was nothing that Fish or anyone on the planet could have done about it. As I vaguely recall, the Jazz came up short anyway because he couldn't make up the huge deficit by himself.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 11:39 AM

What the heck are you guys talking about Fish being a bad defender. He's a great defender. He reads the opponents offense well, he knows how opponents offense runs, he's great at taking charges, he can steal the ball, he can defend guys who are 6'6.

There's no point of putting words like defense and Luke Walton in the same sentence..


But you jut did :nah:

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 11:42 AM

But you jut did :nah:


haha. My bad.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 11:45 AM

Dunno if this counts as defense but one thing Fish does is use screens for the pick and roll on offense..this forces his man to move his feet, bounce off picks AND EXPEND energy on Fish. This is a way to get their legs out as the game progresses and get them tired.

With Walton they'd be more than glad to sag off him since he's an erratic shooter

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 11:51 AM

Dunno if this counts as defense but one thing Fish does is use screens for the pick and roll on offense..this forces his man to move his feet, bounce off picks AND EXPEND energy on Fish. This is a way to get their legs out as the game progresses and get them tired.

With Walton they'd be more than glad to sag off him since he's an erratic shooter



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Posted February 11, 2009 - 11:54 AM

Non-Lakers fans are the last people I would ask. Your stats are useless, Real Deal. Put them into perspective against all the other point guards in the league who get burned. CP3 leads the league in steals. Fish leads it in charges (almost every year). A wash in 2 meaningless categories. The Bulldog is a tough defender.

Lakers fans should know this better than anyone else. You keep talking about how non-Lakers fans know all this stuff about Fish, Luke, and why don't we go back to Fox, Horry and Shaw. You make it sound like non-Lakers fans know more about the Lakers than we do. News flash: "non-Lakers fans" hate the Lakers. 'Nuff said?

And Lakers fans love the Lakers, sometimes way too much. Just because point guards get burned quite a bit doesn't mean Fisher is a good defensive player. Does that seriously make any sense?

So, because there aren't very many good coaches in the NBA, that must mean that Terry Porter is a good coach.

And, to prove my point about people favoring the Lakers players too much, look at how many say that Walton is a good defensive player. If I added Chris Mihm to that list above, I assure you that there would be at least ten votes, probably more, for him as well...and that's laughable.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 11:59 AM

There is no way Walton should be starting. He can't play D and he can't shoot. He is Phil's golden boy and that is enough I guess.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:00 PM

There is no way Walton should be starting. He can't play D and he can't shoot. He is Phil's golden boy and that is enough I guess.


Then who should be starting? Ariza?

I think we are all comfortable with Ariza in the second unit.


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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:01 PM

I would move Kobe to SF and play Sasha at SG. That is to just start the game.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:02 PM

I think we are all comfortable with Ariza in the second unit.


Agreed.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:03 PM

Then who should be starting? Ariza?

I think we are all comfortable with Ariza in the second unit.


So were going to re-sign him to big bucks to stay on the bench next year also?

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:04 PM

I would move Kobe to SF and play Sasha at SG. That is to just start the game.

That's a possibility. But i don't think Phil is gonna start Sasha.. I'm pretty sure that we're gonna stick with the starting line-up that we're using as of now.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:05 PM

So were going to re-sign him to big bucks to stay on the bench next year also?


He has improved his play since he got here so I'm confident he'll improve his J.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:05 PM

So were going to re-sign him to big bucks to stay on the bench next year also?

Yea.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:06 PM

But he's gonna be playing close to 30 minutes and finishing games off.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:06 PM

I would move Kobe to SF and play Sasha at SG. That is to just start the game.

Why should Sasha get more playing time when he's not playing good? :blink:

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:09 PM

well put him where his strength will be maximized - shooting...he can fill in the role Radman occupied on offense. I'd rather have Ariza finish games though where defense will be needed.

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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:12 PM

Why should Sasha get more playing time when he's not playing good? :blink:

That's what i was thinking..

 I'd rather have Ariza finish games though where defense will be needed.



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Posted February 11, 2009 - 12:13 PM

well put him where his strength will be maximized - shooting...he can fill in the role Radman occupied on offense. I'd rather have Ariza finish games though where defense will be needed.

The 2nd unit needs a shooter in the lineup. We don't need him in the starting lineup because Kobe and Fisher are better shooters than him.

Ariza finishing games? No! Ariza struggles when he plays in the final 6-5 mins of a game.

We don't need to make any changes to the lineup or playing time.

Fisher and Walton are horrible defenders.




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