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#21 LP_18

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 02:01 PM

Yeah man, it just really sucks that the majority of the time, we almost always see this happen, especially with players who are obviously nothing close to superstars/franchise type players, they get their contract, and then they naturally relax & that's just one of the many things that has happened with Sasha. He's probably gotten' a huge ego too or something, probably a bit arrogant/thinks he's the [expletive] so doesn't try as hard as much. He's like I already got paid so I shouldn't trip as much, no pressure, guaranteed money baby.

Well hopefully, at least it would be nice, if Shannon Brown could put some real pressure on his arse. He (Sasha) almost single handedly mostly lost us the game yesterday.

I trust Trevor Ariza shooting right now more than Sasha as crazy as that sounds. That's how bad Sasha's been ballin'. Way too inconsistent, way more bad games than good games by far this season so far.

if anything, sasha trys too hard.
hes one of the few that wants it and gives 100%. even if his shots dont fall hes giving it everything hes got.

you can say hes inconsistant, or hes been sucking lately, but you cant say he doesnt care.

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when did sash turn into kobe ? WTF?

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 04:27 PM

He better start making shots or ship him out to Memphis lol

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 04:30 PM

Sasha cares a lot. He cares so much the first thing he says when he gets in the game is "I haven't got a shot off. So the first look I get, I am taking it."
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Posted February 19, 2009 - 04:38 PM

Sasha cares a lot. He cares so much the first thing he says when he gets in the game is "I haven't got a shot off. So the first look I get, I am taking it."

It's probably in PJ's gameplan to let him shoot. Why waste an outside offensive threat by not letting him shoot? Yeah, he forces sometimes, but he's our only outside threat in the 2nd unit and most of the time he's open.

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 05:13 PM

I still don't see why you would wanna trade him. He's gonna win games for us down the stretch, I guarantee it. He gives it his all 100% of the time and even though the stats may not show it, the wins at the end are all that matter.

Chicano, as much as I love you, saying that he "almost singlehandedly lost the game yesterday" doesnt seem right. There was one move that Sasha made in the game that really put a smile on my face yesterday. He was wide open and no one was around him and if it were last year, he wouldve shot it. But instead, he saw Pau with no one around him under the basket and made the pass.

As much as I love him chucking up shots and trying to singlehandedly be a hero, I love him more when he's making the passes and driving to the basket, which he has done more of this year. He'll improve as the year goes on and when the games really count, he'll make those wide open 3's. :lol:
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Posted February 19, 2009 - 05:16 PM

He's a chucker, he needs to shoot at least 50% to make his playing time justifiable because he does little else on the court. I think people are frustrated with his one dimensional play. He has to shoot, which is the only way he can contribute, so when his shot's not falling well he's screwed

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 05:21 PM

Sasha = New Walton

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 05:40 PM

He's a chucker, he needs to shoot at least 50% to make his playing time justifiable because he does little else on the court. I think people are frustrated with his one dimensional play. He has to shoot, which is the only way he can contribute, so when his shot's not falling well he's screwed


I believe he is labeled as a "chucker". So, like you said, when his shots aren't going in, he's screwed. And he's expected to make those shots so when he makes them, people think "Well, he's supposed to make those shots." and when he misses, everyone instantly thinks "we need to trade him".

Honestly, I dont see him as a shooter though. I see him as a guy who's still trying to find out what his best skill is. Going into this year, everyone had high expectations of him being one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. I, in all honesty, just wanted him to play hard 100% and win games.

As one of(if not the only) Jake Plummer's biggest fans, I saw how he was disrespected in Denver even though he had a ridiculous winning record.(39-15) Ya, he was known for throwing a lot of interceptions but all he did was win games.

Why I bring that up is because I don't wanna see Sasha leave and see this team struggle without him.(Have you seen Jay Cutler's record with Denver, already has more losses than Plummer did in his 4 years with Denver)

They may bring in some new guy, some hotshot. And even though his stats may look good, the W-L record wont be. Just trust me. :yes:
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Posted February 19, 2009 - 05:52 PM

I believe he is labeled as a "chucker". So, like you said, when his shots aren't going in, he's screwed. And he's expected to make those shots so when he makes them, people think "Well, he's supposed to make those shots." and when he misses, everyone instantly thinks "we need to trade him".

Honestly, I dont see him as a shooter though. I see him as a guy who's still trying to find out what his best skill is. Going into this year, everyone had high expectations of him being one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. I, in all honesty, just wanted him to play hard 100% and win games.

As one of(if not the only) Jake Plummer's biggest fans, I saw how he was disrespected in Denver even though he had a ridiculous winning record.(39-15) Ya, he was known for throwing a lot of interceptions but all he did was win games.

Why I bring that up is because I don't wanna see Sasha leave and see this team struggle without him.(Have you seen Jay Cutler's record with Denver, already has more losses than Plummer did in his 4 years with Denver)

They may bring in some new guy, some hotshot. And even though his stats may look good, the W-L record wont be. Just trust me. :yes:


You get it too. He is getting paid to make those shots he is currently missing. Sasha is a chucker, but he is also expected to make his open 3's(Which he isn't doing)
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Posted February 19, 2009 - 05:57 PM

I believe he is labeled as a "chucker". So, like you said, when his shots aren't going in, he's screwed. And he's expected to make those shots so when he makes them, people think "Well, he's supposed to make those shots." and when he misses, everyone instantly thinks "we need to trade him".


- He's labeled a chucker because thats what he does best. Hoist up shots. He can't do anything else consistently - pass, set up the offense, handle the ball, set screens, rebound, defend. Nope. he did some of those things last year but this year all he does is chuck up shots


Honestly, I dont see him as a shooter though. I see him as a guy who's still trying to find out what his best skill is. Going into this year, everyone had high expectations of him being one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. I, in all honesty, just wanted him to play hard 100% and win games.


- 5 years in the league and he's still trying to figure out what his best skill is? How much longer do we have to wait for him to figure it out and catch up to our program? More or like he got paid and didn't expand his game in the offseason. Look at Ariza, he couldn't drop a J to save his life last year but look at him now, he's a solid mid/long range shooter because he worked on it in the off season. If his shot's not falling, he plays defense, rebounds and does other things to contribute - can't say that about Sasha. Who did Phil trust last night in the 4th? Sasha or Ariza? And guess what? He's shooting 33% from 3, while Sasha is 36%, Ariza is catching up to something that sasha is apparently good at. Trevor has made Sasha replaceable.

As one of(if not the only) Jake Plummer's biggest fans, I saw how he was disrespected in Denver even though he had a ridiculous winning record.(39-15) Ya, he was known for throwing a lot of interceptions but all he did was win games.

Why I bring that up is because I don't wanna see Sasha leave and see this team struggle without him.(Have you seen Jay Cutler's record with Denver, already has more losses than Plummer did in his 4 years with Denver)

They may bring in some new guy, some hotshot. And even though his stats may look good, the W-L record wont be. Just trust me. :yes:


You're comparing apples to oranges here.

LOL this team wouldn't skip a beat if Sasha left...

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 06:01 PM

- 5 years in the league and he's still trying to figure out what his best skill is? How much longer do we have to wait for him to figure it out and catch up to our program? More or like he got paid and didn't expand his game in the offseason. Look at Ariza, he couldn't drop a J to save his life last year but look at him now, he's a solid mid/long range shooter because he worked on it in the off season. If his shot's not falling, he plays defense, rebounds and does other things to contribute - can't say that about Sasha. Who did Phil trust last night in the 4th? Sasha or Ariza? And guess what? He's shooting 33% from 3, while Sasha is 36%, Ariza is catching up to something that sasha is apparently good at. Trevor has made Sasha replaceable.



Give him the LO treatment, somehow we still have him on the team, although I think his play is a fluke

Edited by fsedifkkh, February 19, 2009 - 06:01 PM.


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Posted February 19, 2009 - 06:08 PM

Sasha is Really Sucks This Year.

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 06:15 PM

Well he can have a sigh of relief now that the trade deadline has passed. Hopefully he steps up his game. He's been struggling, but I don't think it's from lack of effort or anything like that. I might just be mental.

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 06:17 PM

Well he can have a sigh of relief now that the trade deadline has passed. Hopefully he steps up his game. He's been struggling, but I don't think it's from lack of effort or anything like that. I might just be mental.


Totally Agree.

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 06:19 PM

i guess there must be a reason to complain...but when there are 10 members of a team that matters...each player isnt going to have career years. sasha could easily start if Luke was out and be effective. He will get his mojo back. People dont remember this guy dropped 20 on the C's in the Finals. He is legit, its just a new role, he is still young. I dont judge by stats, and i say that sasha's play is starting to improve. As a matter of fact his overall game is much stronger this year. Better judgement with the ball...and dont u guys remember how he stepped up when farmar went down. he's OK
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Posted February 19, 2009 - 06:32 PM

Well he can have a sigh of relief now that the trade deadline has passed. Hopefully he steps up his game. He's been struggling, but I don't think it's from lack of effort or anything like that. I might just be mental.


Ya, from this point on this season, now he'll start playing better. I've kind of thought that maybe he feels unnecessary pressure(towards possibly getting traded, Ariza's dominance, Radman's trade....) so that could affect his play.

- 5 years in the league and he's still trying to figure out what his best skill is? How much longer do we have to wait for him to figure it out and catch up to our program? More or like he got paid and didn't expand his game in the offseason. Look at Ariza, he couldn't drop a J to save his life last year but look at him now, he's a solid mid/long range shooter because he worked on it in the off season. If his shot's not falling, he plays defense, rebounds and does other things to contribute - can't say that about Sasha. Who did Phil trust last night in the 4th? Sasha or Ariza? And guess what? He's shooting 33% from 3, while Sasha is 36%, Ariza is catching up to something that sasha is apparently good at. Trevor has made Sasha replaceable.


MDI, I respect all that you said. 5 years in the league, he's 24, still somewhat young. He's basically in a new situation now than he was his first 3 years, which can understandably make you rethink the way you play.

This is just Trevor's year, Sasha can't take that away from him. I'm happy Ariza is starting to make those shots and not just being known as a "slasher." As long as we are winning games, I'm fine and I'm sure Sasha is fine with that too.

You're comparing apples to oranges here.

LOL this team wouldn't skip a beat if Sasha left...


You say that now but that's what Broncos fans thought as well.... :rolleyes:
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Posted February 19, 2009 - 06:40 PM

machine definitely expanded his game this year. def passing he's shown a new small skill set. when jordan was out, It's something. He's always been a in your face defender. Came through in the finals. Role's changed a little this year. still like his effort.

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 09:23 PM

Ya, from this point on this season, now he'll start playing better. I've kind of thought that maybe he feels unnecessary pressure(towards possibly getting traded, Ariza's dominance, Radman's trade....) so that could affect his play.



MDI, I respect all that you said. 5 years in the league, he's 24, still somewhat young. He's basically in a new situation now than he was his first 3 years, which can understandably make you rethink the way you play.

This is just Trevor's year, Sasha can't take that away from him. I'm happy Ariza is starting to make those shots and not just being known as a "slasher." As long as we are winning games, I'm fine and I'm sure Sasha is fine with that too.



You say that now but that's what Broncos fans thought as well.... :rolleyes:


No he's been in the same situation all these years...he's a backup guard. I'm not expecting him to be great at everything...thats not realistic for anyone. I just want him to improve in facets of a game that a guard should be good at such as handling and defense but he has stayed average and has not improved in the past few years while getting the same amount of playing time.

Sasha can be fine with winning games...only a matter of time before we use him to attend another need of ours such as frontcourt depth off the bench.

Trevor doesn't play the same position as Sasha but since Sasha's been sucking Ariza has taken advantage of the minutes that usually goes to Sasha and he's been producing

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 10:08 PM

i guess there must be a reason to complain...but when there are 10 members of a team that matters...each player isnt going to have career years. sasha could easily start if Luke was out and be effective. He will get his mojo back. People dont remember this guy dropped 20 on the C's in the Finals. He is legit, its just a new role, he is still young. I dont judge by stats, and i say that sasha's play is starting to improve. As a matter of fact his overall game is much stronger this year. Better judgement with the ball...and dont u guys remember how he stepped up when farmar went down. he's OK

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when did sash turn into kobe ? WTF?

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Posted February 19, 2009 - 11:25 PM

sasha's passing a bit more now, maybe hes in a prolonged shooting slump

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