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#121 lakerfool

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 07:50 PM

i'm not talking about the assists i'm talking about the amount of points his teammates scored look at the boxscore

it shows his teammates only touched the ball when lebron deemed it a scoring oppurtunity for them

lebron played 44 minutes of 48 meaning this happened all game

that is the definition of ball hog

chris paul for example lets his teammates make plays for themselves throughout the game while setting them up and himself up

there is a difference


Chris Paul pretty much sets everything up for his teammates. Nobody on that team can create their own play aside from David West on a decent basis. So by your definition, considering Paul gets a crapload of assists while scores well over 22, he is a ball hog.
Gooden>> Lamar Odom. Mo Williams>> Ray Allen>> Gasol. Nene= Gasol.

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 07:51 PM

Mo williams is a PG? Since when? Watch basketball please. Mo Williams is a combo guard similar to Jason Terry mold. LeBron is best on that team in setting others up.

Again, I've never heard of a player getting 11 assists and getting criticized for it. Criticize him for chucking 30+ shots, but 11 assists? LOL.

You'd most likely be a Clippers fan if Kobe left. I'm still here and I stand by my code...without dominant post play, we'll never win squat.


i respect your opinions but what the hell does that have to do with the topic
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Posted February 04, 2009 - 07:52 PM

i respect your opinions but what the hell does that have to do with the topic


Its called waving the white flag. He does that when he's starting to lose an argument, he takes a shot at the poster

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 07:52 PM

Chris Paul pretty much sets everything up for his teammates. Nobody on that team can create their own play aside from David West on a decent basis. So by your definition, considering Paul gets a crapload of assists while scores well over 22, he is a ball hog.


he lets david west create and he lets the other guards touch the ball

i don't think lebron is a ball hog i thought he was tonight period
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Posted February 04, 2009 - 07:52 PM

i respect your opinions but what the hell does that have to do with the topic


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Posted February 04, 2009 - 07:53 PM

i respect your opinions but what the hell does that have to do with the topic


Become a phnx fan, no better yet a Celtics fan, so that you can say your team plays defense and that wins chapionships


I was responding to this from him.

he lets david west create and he lets the other guards touch the ball

i don't think lebron is a ball hog i thought he was tonight period

To a limited basis, yes. For the most part? No.
Gooden>> Lamar Odom. Mo Williams>> Ray Allen>> Gasol. Nene= Gasol.

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 07:55 PM

Chris Paul pretty much sets everything up for his teammates. Nobody on that team can create their own play aside from David West on a decent basis. So by your definition, considering Paul gets a crapload of assists while scores well over 22, he is a ball hog.


how much does david west score a game

every star is ball dominant but it is how much your teammates get to create for themselves that seperates from ball hog to ball dominant

lebron is always ball dominant but he usually lets his teammates create for themselves

tonight it was 44 minutes of lebron doing everything for them with the ball in his hands

ball hog

gasol had 34

lamar had 13

kobe let other people do themselves throughout the game and in 36 minutes put up 61 points end of story
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Posted February 04, 2009 - 07:59 PM

how much does david west score a game

every star is ball dominant but it is how much your teammates get to create for themselves that seperates from ball hog to ball dominant

lebron is always ball dominant but he usually lets his teammates create for themselves

tonight it was 44 minutes of lebron doing everything for them with the ball in his hands

ball hog

gasol had 34

lamar had 13

kobe let other people do themselves throughout the game and in 36 minutes put up 61 points end of story

Pau Gasol is 10 times better than anybody on that Cavs team. Zydrunas is nowhere near Gasol's level. And both Gasol and Lamar are 1 million times better at creating their own shots.
Gooden>> Lamar Odom. Mo Williams>> Ray Allen>> Gasol. Nene= Gasol.

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:02 PM

Pau Gasol is 10 times better than anybody on that Cavs team. Zydrunas is nowhere near Gasol's level. And both Gasol and Lamar are 1 million times better at creating their own shots.


the point is they had the oppurtunity to create their own shots

in 8 less minutes with 6 less shots kobe scored 9 more points and his teammates each scored way more points

Edited by last stand 2.0, February 04, 2009 - 08:03 PM.

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:04 PM

Great positive energy in here. Makes for great discussion.

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:07 PM

I didn't see LeBron's game but based on the stats Lebron had the better game. Much closer game because Kobe has the better team.
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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:10 PM

lebron & kobe both had great games.

END OF STORY

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:16 PM

My Son and I think Lebron is Great and are fans of him also.


but in all seriousness his triple double with 50 points is Tremendously great but Kobe's 61 still tops it.



I mean 61 points by one single player has never been scored

in NEW YORK PERIOD


Has anyone ever scored over 50 and completed a Triple double?
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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:20 PM

Has anyone ever scored over 50 and completed a Triple double?


The GOAT.


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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:29 PM

lebron & kobe both had great games.

END OF STORY

Finally somebody who can think objectively.

the point is they had the oppurtunity to create their own shots

in 8 less minutes with 6 less shots kobe scored 9 more points and his teammates each scored way more points

Pau Gasol is a much better player, of course he will score more points. That's a given. They had the opportunity to create their own shots because nobody has to initiate things for them. Gasol is a franchise player.
Gooden>> Lamar Odom. Mo Williams>> Ray Allen>> Gasol. Nene= Gasol.

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:33 PM

i just think we should agree to disagree since it really is insignificant in the grand scope of things
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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:34 PM

Amazing game from LeBron tonight.

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:41 PM

Great game by LBJ, great game for both against NYK. Crazy since they were road games lmao. I wonder if they can do that it home, it's crazy how well they play.

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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:45 PM

LBJ's statline was Very Very Impressive.
I'd say even more impressive then the 61, just given that 60 point games happen,
but 50 Point Triple Doubles?

Wow.


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Posted February 04, 2009 - 08:45 PM

I agree with the sentiment that both players played great games.

Sadly, there are those that want to so micro-analyze the Kobe-Lebron debate, that they will try to use Lebron's performance tonight as evidence that Lebron is better.

Two different players on two different teams, under a different set of circumstances.

I think it is very evident that Kobe is a more prolific scorer than Lebron. On Monday night, Kobe was in a great rhythm and decided to fill it up as the Lakers led throughout and won easily. Also, Kobe got a chance to sit a lot.

LBJ is a great all-around player who played a great all-around game. No surprise that he would put up these kind of numbers tonight, especially in light of the fact that Kobe just scored 61.

But, if you want to critique, then it is fair to note that because the Knicks kept this one close, Lebron ended up playing 44 minutes, and was scrambling for his life to get that last rebound to get that triple double that you know, as a team player, he cared nothing about. ;)

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