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#21 Base

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Posted January 31, 2009 - 03:03 PM

I'm no stat man and I don't know where to find the stat for # of possessions in each game. But there's a huge difference between getting 110 points on 90 possessions in a game and getting 110 points on 110 possessions. The fact that you don't account for that means, at least IMO, that those stats carry little weight. The "stats" here really aren't anything more than tidbits IMO. Without considering the amount of possessions it took for the opposition to get those amount of points, then it doesn't give an accurate depiction of our defense at all.

Let me just tell you in the loss to San Antonio, Spurs had at least 10 less possessions than they did that the wolves had. And San Antonio scored just as much.

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Posted January 31, 2009 - 04:12 PM

Let me just tell you in the loss to San Antonio, Spurs had at least 10 less possessions than they did that the wolves had. And San Antonio scored just as much.

That right there is my point exactly. That's something your info doesn't show. According to my calculations to get # of possessions, in our loss against the Spurs, they had 90 possessions to score 112 points. Against the twolves last night, they had 105 possessions to get 119. One game has us at a defensive efficiency of 124. The other game has us at a defensive efficiency of 113. You're stat gives those two games equal weight since they fall under the "110-119" category. Clearly there's a huge difference there, something your stats don't account for.

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Posted January 31, 2009 - 08:13 PM

That right there is my point exactly. That's something your info doesn't show. According to my calculations to get # of possessions, in our loss against the Spurs, they had 90 possessions to score 112 points. Against the twolves last night, they had 105 possessions to get 119. One game has us at a defensive efficiency of 124. The other game has us at a defensive efficiency of 113. You're stat gives those two games equal weight since they fall under the "110-119" category. Clearly there's a huge difference there, something your stats don't account for.

This is the NBA. Most games I watch are pretty close with 7 minutes to go. It's how you play at the end of the game that counts. Teams give up 12 point leads in a couple of minutes now a days. It's just the way the game is played and officiated.

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Posted January 31, 2009 - 08:33 PM

pretty much
Again - this team, as currently constructed won't make it out of the second round of the playoffs, let alone the West or win the Finals.---fido on 2011 Lakers

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Posted January 31, 2009 - 08:35 PM

^Well of course if you break it down by minutes in the game, I'm sure you can come to an even better idea on how good (or bad) our defense and offense is. The more precision, the better. But I don't have those resources or the time. The best I can do is use the stats given and simple calculations to figure out things like off. and def. efficiency.

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Posted February 01, 2009 - 12:03 AM

I disagree. Of course we can.



You don't lose games when you're in the lead in the 4th if you can "turn on the switch". Just not possible.


That's why LO keeps getting burnt on the same play on the perimeter.
That's why Kobe and Ariza are constantly caught gambling.
That's why P&R has killed us the past 10 years.

Edited by GCMD, February 01, 2009 - 12:05 AM.


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Posted February 01, 2009 - 04:06 AM

This is how I figure out # of Possessions:
  • (FGA-Offensive Rebounds) + (FTA * .436) + (Turnovers)
  • NBA free throw patterns shows that approximately 43.6% of all free throws are possession-ending, a result that makes sense when you consider the number of "and-1" and technical free throws, when the shooting team doesn't lose the ball.
  • FIRST 10 GAMES
  • Game 1
  • Points Allowed: 76
  • Opposing teams possessions: 89
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 0.854
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 2
  • Points Allowed: 79
  • Opposing teams possessions: 96
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 0.823
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 3
  • Points Allowed: 97
  • Opposing teams possessions: 103
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 0.942
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 4
  • Points Allowed: 88
  • Opposing teams possessions: 101
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 0.871
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 5
  • Points Allowed: 82
  • Opposing teams possessions: 93
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 0.881
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 6
  • Points Allowed: 99
  • Opposing teams possessions: 99
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.000
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 7
  • Points Allowed: 86
  • Opposing teams possessions: 93
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: .925
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 8
  • Points Allowed: 106
  • Opposing teams possessions: 95
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.116
  • Outcome: Loss
  • Game 9
  • Points Allowed: 109
  • Opposing teams possessions: 113
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: .965
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 10
  • Points Allowed: 91
  • Opposing teams possessions: 96
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: .948
  • Outcome: Win
  • .880-.900 would be a good defense (Allowing 88-90 points every 100 possessions) (under that is a great Defense) Lakers fell under the good Category once, the great category 3 times, 6 times their defense was allowing over .900 a possession
  • Lakers average for the first ten games was: .933 points allowed per possession :(

Edited by Base, February 01, 2009 - 04:24 AM.


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Posted February 01, 2009 - 04:41 AM

Ouch...for those keeping score at home, that's not all that good...not for a team with Championship aspirations.

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Posted February 01, 2009 - 04:49 AM

  • Games 11-20
  • Game 11
  • Points Allowed: 90
  • Opposing teams possessions: 94
  • Points allowed per possession: .957
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 12
  • Points Allowed: 108
  • Opposing teams possessions: 103
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.049 :nervous:
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 13
  • Points Allowed: 93
  • Opposing teams possessions: 99
  • Points allowed per possession: .939
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 14
  • Points Allowed: 107
  • Opposing teams possessions: 94
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.138 :mellow:
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 15
  • Points Allowed: 99
  • Opposing teams possessions: 100
  • Points allowed per possession: .990
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 16
  • Points Allowed: 118
  • Opposing teams possessions: 102
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.157 :nervous:
  • Outcome:

  • Game 17
  • Points Allowed: 102
  • Opposing teams possessions: 95
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.074 :nervous:
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 18
  • Points Allowed: 104
  • Opposing teams possessions: 98
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.061
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 19
  • Points Allowed: 92
  • Opposing teams possessions: 100
  • Points allowed per possession: .920
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 20
  • Points Allowed: 113
  • Opposing teams possessions: 98
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.153 :nervous:
  • Outcome: Loss
  • .880-.900 would be a good defense (Allowing 88-90 points every 100 possessions) (under that is a great Defense) Lakers fell under the good defense category 0 times, All ten times they were over (.900)
  • Lakers average for the first ten games was: 1.0438 points allowed per possession :blink:

Edited by Base, February 01, 2009 - 04:51 AM.


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Posted February 01, 2009 - 05:12 AM

  • GAMES 21-30
  • Game 21
  • Points Allowed: 110
  • Opposing teams possessions: 99
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.111
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 22
  • Points Allowed: 103
  • Opposing teams possessions: 101
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.02
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 23
  • Points Allowed: 86
  • Opposing teams possessions: 95
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: .905
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 24
  • Points Allowed: 114
  • Opposing teams possessions: 99
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.151
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 25
  • Points Allowed: 89
  • Opposing teams possessions: 88
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.011
  • Outcome: Loss
  • Game 26
  • Points Allowed: 106
  • Opposing teams possessions: 93
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.14
  • Outcome: Loss
  • Game 27
  • Points Allowed: 96
  • Opposing teams possessions: 90
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.067
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 28
  • Points Allowed: 87
  • Opposing teams possessions: 89
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: .978
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 29 (Boston)
  • Points Allowed: 83
  • Opposing teams possessions: 90
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: .922
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 30
  • Points Allowed: 113
  • Opposing teams possessions: 103
  • Points Allowed Per Possession: 1.097
  • Outcome: Win
  • .880-.900 would be a good defense (Allowing 88-90 points every 100 possessions) (under that is a great Defense) Lakers went over .900 10 times.
  • Lakers average for games 21-30 games was:1.0402 points allowed per possession :(

Edited by Base, February 01, 2009 - 05:14 AM.


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Posted February 01, 2009 - 11:15 AM

.900 isn't good defense, that's great defense (edit: or actually I should say it's great defensive efficiency). Celtics are 1st in points per possession at .970, defensive efficiency of 97.0(defensive efficiency is calculated by points per 100 possessions, so I'll be using that standard in my posts from now on..just multiply your numbers by 100) . And I must also add that Lakers are 4th in defensive at 102.1?

Edited by daco_inc, February 01, 2009 - 11:24 AM.


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Posted February 01, 2009 - 06:33 PM

  • Games 11-20
  • Game 11
  • Points Allowed: 90
  • Opposing teams possessions: 94
  • Points allowed per possession: .957
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 12
  • Points Allowed: 108
  • Opposing teams possessions: 103
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.049 :nervous:
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 13
  • Points Allowed: 93
  • Opposing teams possessions: 99
  • Points allowed per possession: .939
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 14
  • Points Allowed: 107
  • Opposing teams possessions: 94
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.138 :mellow:
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 15
  • Points Allowed: 99
  • Opposing teams possessions: 100
  • Points allowed per possession: .990
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 16
  • Points Allowed: 118
  • Opposing teams possessions: 102
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.157 :nervous:
  • Outcome:

  • Game 17
  • Points Allowed: 102
  • Opposing teams possessions: 95
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.074 :nervous:
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 18
  • Points Allowed: 104
  • Opposing teams possessions: 98
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.061
  • Outcome: Win

  • Game 19
  • Points Allowed: 92
  • Opposing teams possessions: 100
  • Points allowed per possession: .920
  • Outcome: Win
  • Game 20
  • Points Allowed: 113
  • Opposing teams possessions: 98
  • Points allowed per possession: 1.153 :nervous:
  • Outcome: Loss
  • .880-.900 would be a good defense (Allowing 88-90 points every 100 possessions) (under that is a great Defense) Lakers fell under the good defense category 0 times, All ten times they were over (.900)
  • Lakers average for the first ten games was: 1.0438 points allowed per possession :blink:

What was the outcome of game 16? :o

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Posted February 01, 2009 - 09:23 PM

What was the outcome of game 16? :o

It was a loss to the Pacers. :mellow:

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Posted February 01, 2009 - 09:27 PM

.900 isn't good defense, that's great defense (edit: or actually I should say it's great defensive efficiency). Celtics are 1st in points per possession at .970, defensive efficiency of 97.0(defensive efficiency is calculated by points per 100 possessions, so I'll be using that standard in my posts from now on..just multiply your numbers by 100) . And I must also add that Lakers are 4th in defensive at 102.1?

where did you find that? NVM found it. But even those stats can be misleading. Lakers sometimes play GREAT defense, and most of the times they are giving up 100+ a game

Edited by Base, February 01, 2009 - 09:30 PM.


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Posted February 01, 2009 - 10:10 PM

^
Well yea. In the end, all stats are misleading because, no matter what, stats never give the whole story. Actually, come playoff time, all these stats aren't even going to be important.




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