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#1 Base

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 08:27 PM

70-79 points allowed: 2 games, Record: 2-0 :rock:
80-89 points allowed: 10 Games, Record: 9-1 :bow:
90-99 points allowed: 11 Games, Record: 11-0 :dance1: :bow: :rock: :clap: :yes:
100-109 points allowed: 13 games, Record 10-3 :hmm:
110-119 points allowed: 10 Games, Record: 5-5 :mad:

Total Games played: 46 Games, Total Record: 37-9

Lakers are 24-1 when allowing 100 points or less.

Compared to:

CELTICS
60-69 points allowed: 1 game, Record: 1-0
70-79 points allowed: 5 Games, Record: 5-0
80-89 points allowed: 20 Games, Record: 19-1
90-99 points allowed: 11 Games, Record: 5-6
100-109 points allowed: 9 games, Record: 8-1
110-119 points allowed: 2 Games, Record: 1-1

Total Games played: 48 Games played 39-9

Compared to


CAVALIERS
70-79 points allowed: 6 Games, Record: 6-0
80-89 points allowed: 12 Games, Record: 11-1
90-99 points allowed: 19 Games, Record: 15-4
100-109 points allowed: 7 games, Record: 3-4
110-119 points allowed: 1 Games, Record: 1-0

Games Played: 45 Games Played, Record: 36-9

Edited by Base, February 01, 2009 - 03:17 AM.


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Posted January 30, 2009 - 08:30 PM

This game was basically a shoot out. And I was surprised to even see that Jefferson had 34 points because his impact wasn't felt that much.

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 08:36 PM

This game was basically a shoot out. And I was surprised to even see that Jefferson had 34 points because his impact wasn't felt that much.

Lakers can't be playing in a shootout with teams like the Cavaliers and Celtics. They shouldn't be allowing over 110 points.

Cleveland only allowed 110-119 points twice and it was to Sacramento in a win 117-110
Celtics only allowed 110-119 points twice Recors: 1-1
Magic only allowed 110-119 twice, Record: 1-1

Of the 4 teams racing for the best record in the NBA, Lakers seem to be the weakest defensively.

Edited by Base, January 30, 2009 - 08:45 PM.


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Posted January 30, 2009 - 08:36 PM

Great Stat Base. Lakers need to tighten that D if they want a Ring.
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Posted January 30, 2009 - 08:41 PM

Lakers can't be playing in a shootout with teams like the Cavaliers and Celtics. They shouldn't be allowing over 110 points.

Cleveland only allowed 110-119 points once and it was to Sacramento in a win 117-110
Celtics only allowed 110-119 points once in a win to the Pacers 122-117
Magic only allowed 110-119 twice, Record: 1-1

Of the 4 teams racing for the best record in the NBA, Lakers seem to be the weakest defensively.


I'm not disagreeing at all. Our defensive effort this season has been predicated on the level of respect the team seems to give its opposition. I do think we are the weakest defensively out of the four. The thing is that I don't necessarily demand that we're an elite defensive team but I'm hoping that we're effective and smart ESPECIALLY IN TIGHT GAMES (yes I'm still not over losing to the Bobcats :lol: )

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 08:45 PM

If two weeks after the all star break we are allowing over a hundred points a game then I will start to worry. Our guards need to man up and stop penetration, hand out on the 3 pt. shooters, good rotations, blocking out, and stop these quick shots sometimes the team get into probably becuase we are young, For LO it is just because he is ODUMB.
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Posted January 30, 2009 - 09:09 PM

Most important stat you posted?

Lakers have had 24 games where they held their opponent to less than 100.

BOS, otoh, has had 26 games where they held their opponent to less than 90!!!



We are capable of playing good defense. We just haven't tried.

Lakers can't be playing in a shootout with teams like the Cavaliers and Celtics. They shouldn't be allowing over 110 points.

Cleveland only allowed 110-119 points twice and it was to Sacramento in a win 117-110
Celtics only allowed 110-119 points twice Recors: 1-1
Magic only allowed 110-119 twice, Record: 1-1

Of the 4 teams racing for the best record in the NBA, Lakers seem to be the weakest defensively.



Without a doubt.

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 09:11 PM

Most important stat you posted?

Lakers have had 24 games where they held their opponent to less than 100.

BOS, otoh, has had 26 games where they held their opponent to less than 90!!!



We are capable of playing good defense. We just haven't tried.




Without a doubt.


I am okay with the Lakers allowing 90-99 points a game, but when they blow a huge lead doing it, it's not okay. Lakers time in and time out have double digit leads and they lose it.

If I am not mistaken, Lakers had a 20 point lead and within 3 minutes it was cut to 9 tonight.

Edited by Base, January 30, 2009 - 09:12 PM.


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Posted January 30, 2009 - 09:19 PM

90-99 ppg allowed is middle of the pack. If we're going to do that, we HAVE to have a red-HOT offense for the full 48...which I haven't seen this year.

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 09:23 PM

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 09:30 PM

90-99 ppg allowed is middle of the pack. If we're going to do that, we HAVE to have a red-HOT offense for the full 48...which I haven't seen this year.


Well Lakers are averaging the higest PPG. what more do you need? Allowing 90-99, with their scoring offense of 107-108 a game, it would give us a margin of victory of a high average of 18 and a low of 8. The teams that have the highest point diff is Boston Celtics and the Cavs with 10.1 each.

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 09:45 PM

Well Lakers are averaging the higest PPG. what more do you need? Allowing 90-99, with their scoring offense of 107-108 a game, it would give us a margin of victory of a high average of 18 and a low of 8. The teams that have the highest point diff is Boston Celtics and the Cavs with 10.1 each.

I'm not pushing for perfection here. Nor am I talking about a diff of 20.


I'm talking about not allowing layups and dunks or uncontested shots. That's huge and (for most good teams) understood. Not the Lakers. Too much gambling and bad rotations. No help or the wrong help.


Our offense is on auto.

Our defense suffers because they spend so much energy scoring.


Why is that a big deal? We can't turn on the defense when we need to. Know why? Bad habits and poor defensive schemes.

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 10:01 PM

We can't turn on the defense when we need to. Know why? Bad habits and poor defensive schemes.

I disagree. Of course we can.

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Posted January 30, 2009 - 10:03 PM

I disagree. Of course we can.

I don't think it's like a light switch or we would have beat the bobcats, the Pacers and the magic both times.

i agree they can play defense when they want to, but it isn't that automatic.

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Posted January 31, 2009 - 12:24 AM

all i care about when it comes down to defense it for them to play good to great d against the elite teams which they do, we've seen what they do when they play the likes of s.a. boston clev. they can lock down in big games which is the only thing i care about, because the playoffs and especially the finals is all full of big games so i'm not worried and you shouldn't be either.
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Posted January 31, 2009 - 12:49 AM

all i care about when it comes down to defense it for them to play good to great d against the elite teams which they do, we've seen what they do when they play the likes of s.a. boston clev. they can lock down in big games which is the only thing i care about, because the playoffs and especially the finals is all full of big games so i'm not worried and you shouldn't be either.


yup allowing 112 @ San Antonio really proved to us that they play good defense.

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Posted January 31, 2009 - 01:16 AM

Not really an important stat to look at considering it doesn't take into consideration pace of game (actual possesions in the game and points scored in relation to that). This really doesn't show how good or bad our defense is. Simply looking at our off. eff. and def. eff. tells more about our offense and defense than this.

And the "points allowed" has no weight unless you account for # of possessions.

Edited by daco_inc, January 31, 2009 - 01:24 AM.


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Posted January 31, 2009 - 04:56 AM

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Posted January 31, 2009 - 05:49 AM

Not really an important stat to look at considering it doesn't take into consideration pace of game (actual possesions in the game and points scored in relation to that). This really doesn't show how good or bad our defense is. Simply looking at our off. eff. and def. eff. tells more about our offense and defense than this.

And the "points allowed" has no weight unless you account for # of possessions.

Why don't you prove to me (with stats) that Lakers defensive efficiency for any 10 games is different from efficiency when Lakers allowed 110-119 points? by that I mean within .300 of a point allowed per possession.

I also don't think that it's a fluke that the Cavaliers and Celtics are 1st and 2nd in [least] points allowed per game and Lakers are all the way at 16.

Sure Lakers are a faster team, but Celtics and Cavalies both score only 7 points less a game, while Lakers are allowing 9 points more a game than Cavs and Celtics.

Edited by Base, January 31, 2009 - 05:57 AM.


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Posted January 31, 2009 - 11:53 AM

I'm no stat man and I don't know where to find the stat for # of possessions in each game. But there's a huge difference between getting 110 points on 90 possessions in a game and getting 110 points on 110 possessions. The fact that you don't account for that means, at least IMO, that those stats carry little weight. The "stats" here really aren't anything more than tidbits IMO. Without considering the amount of possessions it took for the opposition to get those amount of points, then it doesn't give an accurate depiction of our defense at all.




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