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#1 ardentraver81

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 02:42 PM

Kobe often shoots jumpers, always, even in the dying seconds and his team not having the cushion.

In a game against San Antonio, where the Lakers lost by only a point, Kobe had the ball running the break in the first quarter. It was a three-on-one situation. Instead of a two-point basket, it turned into a turn over and a basket for the other team.

If it was Lebron James, he would have attacked the rim for a monster jam. Kobe is too slow even during his younger days. He's not as great a slasher as Jordan, not even as good a clutch player as Jordan. He always settles for jump shots, what was that?

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 02:43 PM

Cuz Kobe sucks. TRADE HIM!

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 02:45 PM

Who knows how many points and how much higher his field goal percentage would be if he attacked the rim more often?
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Posted January 16, 2009 - 02:47 PM

His penetration is great. His will to penetrate though is so-so.
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Posted January 16, 2009 - 02:54 PM

His penetration is great. His will to penetrate though is so-so.

Agreed.

If it was Lebron James, he would have attacked the rim for a monster jam

That is incorrect. Last night, LeBron had the ball in his hands with about 10 seconds left, tie game and he settled for a jumper.

It's not all absolute.

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 02:57 PM

^^What he said.

How many times have you seen replays of jordan dunking for the game winner.


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Posted January 16, 2009 - 02:59 PM

Agreed.


That is incorrect. Last night, LeBron had the ball in his hands with about 10 seconds left, tie game and he settled for a jumper.

It's not all absolute.


Was it a three on one fastbreak?

Another thing: If Kobe would attack more often as D-Wade and Bron, he would have shot 55% for the season.

It's easier to attack these days. The pain is wide open due to defensive three and that restriction arc. Plus no hand-checking and he settles for jump shots???? Come on! Please!

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:03 PM

Was it a three on one fastbreak?

Another thing: If Kobe would attack more often as D-Wade and Bron, he would have shot 55% for the season.

It's easier to attack these days. The pain is wide open due to defensive three and that restriction arc. Plus no hand-checking and he settles for jump shots???? Come on! Please!

I understand what you're saying, but he gets hand checked nearly every possession, they aren't going to call it and more so, why compare him with Jordan and LeBron? I feel he does an amazing job driving but this year he has toned it down. On the flip side, maybe due to the bigs in the paint, his jumper has been falling as good as it ever has.

It's easy to criticize him. If Mason doesn't get a lucky "call," then Kobe is the hero. Lakers lose and now he needs to drive more? I just hate the argument.

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:06 PM

There have been times where I've wondered the same thing, though he played that way forever. One possible reason is he goes "to the rim" less in order to save his legs.
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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:07 PM

I do agree he should drive more.

But go back to last year's playoffs... he was going to the rim HARD in the post-season... when it truly counts.

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:12 PM

There have been times where I've wondered the same thing, though he played that way forever. One possible reason is he goes "to the rim" less in order to save his legs.


That's probably the reason he's arguably the most durable athlete in today's era. :rock:

D-Wade and T-Mac always get injured because they monstrous in employing their legs in getting through the rim. Mind you Vince Carter! :omg:

I'd like to make a research: guys who take less driving to the hoop are more prone to anke injuries. :huh:

While those who more often settles for jump shots are the ones who are better durable. Hmmmm...

Edited by ardentraver81, January 16, 2009 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:14 PM

That's probably the reason he's arguably the most durable athlete in today's era. :rock:

D-Wade and T-Mac always get injured because they monstrous in employing their legs in getting through the rim. Mind you Vince Carter! :omg:

I also think the defense VERY MUCH backs off of great offensive players for the last shot. They always play back anticipating a drive or a pick and roll. That might have something to do with a lot of jumpers. They don't run out too many double teams (unless you're the Los Angeles Lakers and giving up corner three's all the time).

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:15 PM

I'd like to make a research: guys who drives to the hoop more often are more prone to anke injuries. :nervous:

While those who more often settles for jump shots are the ones who are better durable. Hmmmm...

Edited by ardentraver81, January 16, 2009 - 03:16 PM.


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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:18 PM

I'd like to make a research: guys who drives to the hoop more often are more prone to anke injuries. :nervous:

While those who more often settles for jump shots are the ones who are better durable. Hmmmm...

Kobe knows already, he has his own ankle insurance company. He'll show us in the Playoffs

Edited by Base, January 16, 2009 - 03:19 PM.


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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:24 PM

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 03:54 PM

Not sure if the chart I used was accurate but it showed this for the season:

Kobe has 283 attempts in the paint--

Kobe has 491 attempts outside the paint--

119 attempts from both baseline areas which is 15-18 feet out I believe. I think from there its easier to get closer to the basket than any other spot of the free throw perimeter.

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 04:36 PM

he's gettin old, and he knows it, so he is saving his legs for the part that counts the most, the playoffs! when the playoffs come he is aggressive to the basket. He also basically takes what the defense gives him, if they back off (which in most cases they do) he shoots the nice J he has if they overplay he drives it, and when he was younger he did penetrate alot more than he does now, yes he took lots of jumpers but thats because when you have big bodies down low its not easy to get around your man and your big 300 pound teamate (shaq) and now its 2 7 footers clogging the lane making it harder for him to get to the rim, think about Nash, he used to always penetrate now he settles for 3s because shaq is just too much of a clogger down there.
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Posted January 16, 2009 - 04:52 PM

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 04:58 PM

Kobe often shoots jumpers, always, even in the dying seconds and his team not having the cushion.

In a game against San Antonio, where the Lakers lost by only a point, Kobe had the ball running the break in the first quarter. It was a three-on-one situation. Instead of a two-point basket, it turned into a turn over and a basket for the other team.

If it was Lebron James, he would have attacked the rim for a monster jam. Kobe is too slow even during his younger days. He's not as great a slasher as Jordan, not even as good a clutch player as Jordan. He always settles for jump shots, what was that?

Put the ball in the hoop come on!!!

I'd rather have a healthy Kobe shooting his lethal jumper than deal with what Miami has to deal with an injury prone D Wade. Typical whiney Faker fan.

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Posted January 16, 2009 - 05:37 PM

i've seen kobe drive more during 4th quarter. especially if it's a close game. and if he wants to get to the stripe. however on the last play, he'll choose to shoot because or else you'll get bumped, hacked and grabbed on the last play if you drive. and you never get the call if you choose to drive on the last play.




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