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#1 Game

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 03:32 AM

this was posted on another forum, but i thought i was interesting. so it would seem that michael jordan finished his career with 26 game winning shots -

http://www.nba.com/j...me_winners.html

that list has 25, but there was another when he was a wizard, so he stands at 26. here's kobe's list -

http://www.dolem.com...ame_winners.htm

that list has 25, not including tonight's shot against the pacers. kobe's list, unlike jordan's, also does not include game winning free-throws. assuming kobe has iced a game with free throws - which i'm pretty sure he has, he has already passed jordan for game winning buckets

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 03:56 AM

not to mention his game winner in us white vs blue....over prince...find that on youtube...the net makes a metal *ding* sound when it goes through.....

thats how perfect the shot was...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=673HT5-GtGw

start at 1:15 ....

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 03:56 AM

For me a real game winning shot is a shot at the buzzer...

P.S. Kobe hasn't hit a game winning buzzer beater since april 30 2006 :nervous:

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 04:14 AM

by the way this is my first post here but ive been lurking for a while...great community you guys got here...

Welcome to TLN :)

And while did the net make a *ding* sound ? It sounded like a gong or something haha :D

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 08:37 AM

No. That list doesn't count.

First off, it doesn't even include the buzzer beater Kobe made over Jon Barry vs. Nuggets the day after returning from the court... missing a true buzzer beater like that on this list tells me this guy is probably missing at least a few...

Plus he includes "game winning baskets" with more than 24 seconds to go...

NO. SORRY. THAT AIN'T NO BUZZER BEATER.

I think anything with less than 10 seconds is a real game winner... or at least less than 24 seconds because that means there could have been time running out for Kobe to take the shot due to the 24-second clock.

Edit: Found the video of the Denver game winner... http://www.youtube.c...h?v=tX7C4RWhdgo (6:25 mark)

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 10:58 AM

If any shot wins the game, whether there's no seconds or 10 seconds left, it's a GAME WINNING SHOT. Free throws included. The list is game winning shots, not buzzer beaters. I don't think the meaning of "game winning shot" can get any clearer.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the USA scrimmage game doesn't count. It was an exhibition game. Didn't mean anything.

Edited by nameant, January 10, 2009 - 11:00 AM.


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Posted January 10, 2009 - 12:05 PM

says game winning shots, not buzzer beaters

though i'm guessing its not entirely accurate

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 12:06 PM

Kobe is the best player in the game today.
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Posted January 10, 2009 - 12:40 PM

Seen this in ProSportsDaily :)

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 01:19 PM

No question about it, Kobe is the best clutch performer in the history of the game. I agree this list might not be comprehensive, but he does have a ton of game-winning & buzzer beating shots.

I seem to remember in that GM survey, an astounding percentage of them responded that they would want Kobe Bryant taking the last shot over anyone else in the league.

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 01:25 PM

That dolem website doesn't work. I like to look at playoff clutch shots. Jordan has 6 in the playoffs but I don't know what kobe has as I can't pull up that site.
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Posted January 10, 2009 - 01:42 PM

Got this from LG...Kobe has 26

1. 12/27/99: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)
2. 02/13/00: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the and-1)
3. 05/10/00: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)
4. 06/14/00: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (NBA Finals, off reb and put back)
5. 11/16/00: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (OT game-tying 3 pointer for OT, & jumper for win)
6. 02/07/01: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 sec)
7. 01/02/02: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off reb and the jumper)
8. 02/22/02: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater jumper)
9. 03/24/02: Lakers 97 - Kings 96 (fade-away with 36 sec)
10. 05/12/02: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs, off reb for the put back)
11. 12/06/02: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (28-point game comeback, spin-around jumper)
12. 04/04/03: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater jumper)
13. 04/06/03: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (final jumper with 28.6 sec)
14. 02/17/04: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)
15. 02/19/04: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, fade-away)
16. 03/03/04: Lakers 95 - Rockets 93 (jumper over Yao with 22 sec)
17. 03/21/04: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 sec)
18. 04/14/04: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT game-tying 3-pointer for OT, & g-winning 3-pt buzzer beater)
19. 03/13/05: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (pump fake for the win)
20. 11/02/05: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)
21. 12/04/05: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)
22. 01/07/06: Lakers 112 - Clippers 109 (game-winning off-the-window shot)
23. 01/12/06: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 sec, & Lebron choking)
24. 04/30/06: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (OT game-tying tear drop for OT, and game-winning jumper)
25. 01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)
26. 01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 sec)


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Posted January 10, 2009 - 01:56 PM

not to mention his game winner in us white vs blue....over prince...find that on youtube...the net makes a metal *ding* sound when it goes through.....

thats how perfect the shot was...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=673HT5-GtGw

start at 1:15 ....

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That was only an exhibition game tho.
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Posted January 10, 2009 - 02:02 PM

No question about it, Kobe is the best clutch performer in the history of the game. I agree this list might not be comprehensive, but he does have a ton of game-winning & buzzer beating shots.

I seem to remember in that GM survey, an astounding percentage of them responded that they would want Kobe Bryant taking the last shot over anyone else in the league.

What do you mean no question about it? This is one subject people could debate about for hours, especially in a barbershop.
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Posted January 10, 2009 - 07:59 PM

this in no way means kobe is the best clutch performer of all time

it just proves once again hes on the same level as guys like MJ, reggie miller, jerry west
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Posted January 10, 2009 - 08:04 PM

I don't think Kobe is the most clutch player in the history of the game, but I do think that he is the most clutch player in the league today. And, like Heir mentioned, this is a subject that could be debated for a LONG time with no clear answer/winner.

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 08:19 PM

I don't think Kobe is the most clutch player in the history of the game, but I do think that he is the most clutch player in the league today. And, like Heir mentioned, this is a subject that could be debated for a LONG time with no clear answer/winner.


in terms of all time there is no correct answer

peoples knee jerk reaction is MJ but in terms of clutch i challenge anyone to make a legitimate case against reggie miller or jerry west

MJ IMO is based on some of his playoff performances and i consider clutch to be sometimes whole performances rather than single shots but i feel

kobe
MJ
jerry west
reggie miller
larry bird

all deserve to be in the discussion

and in 5 or 6 years im sure lebron james will have put himself in the discussion

there is no clear cut answer and if you claim there is you are just spewing crap
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Posted January 10, 2009 - 08:23 PM

there is no clear cut answer and if you claim there is you are just spewing crap


Agreed.

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Posted January 10, 2009 - 11:30 PM

All of you are 100% wrong. Of course it's clear who the most clutch player in the game is today:

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Last night's game was clear indication of that.

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Posted January 11, 2009 - 12:32 AM

^Yep, Kobe's shot was clutch but his was clutchER. :P
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