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First of all, I really enjoy reading this website because so many fans come up with trade packages and off-season moves that really get me thinking, and I often find myself asking: Is this even possible? So I’ve taken it upon myself to check out a few trade possibilities that could work out from a financial standpoint. I took the six teams (Indiana, New Jersey, Sacramento, Minnesota, Portland, Memphis) that experts have been linking us to in trade talks, and did some research.

By the way, if you haven’t played around with ESPN’s Trade Machine, I would highly recommend it. And if you’re at work, I’m warning you, the Trade Machine will take a good hour or two off of your total production for the day. So I’ll save your company a few dollars and break things down. Now remember, these are trades I’ve come up with that work from a financial standpoint, not one’s that I endorse, and they’re in no particular order.

Possible Trades with the Indiana Pacers:

1. Jermaine O’Neal FOR Bynum, Brown, and Radmanovic (our 19th overall would also definitely have to be included in this package). The big question is: Will the Pacers require Odom? If they don’t, (and I’ve said this before) this is the deal the Lakers MUST make.
2. Let’s say the Pacers don’t require Odom and they don’t like Deal # 1; L.A. could possibly take out Radmanovic from the above deal and replace him with Luke Walton in a sign and trade.
3. And what if the Lakers decide to part with both Odom and Bynum? The deal would most likely be Odom, Bynum, Vujacic (and possibly the Lakers 19th overall draft pick) for O’Neal. In my mind, that’s way too much (even without the draft pick).

Possible Trades with the New Jersey Nets:

1. Jason Kidd FOR Bynum, Brown, and Radmanovic. Radman has four years, $25 million remaining on his contract; it’d be great if the Lakers could make up for their mistake last year and get those numbers off their books (but don’t count on it).

2. Jason Kidd FOR Bynum, Brown, Cook, Evans, and Vujacic. That’s an awful lot for a 34 year-old player.

Possible Trades with the Sacramento Kings:

1. Ron Artest FOR Kwame Brown. Match made in heaven from a salary cap standpoint.

2. Ron Artest FOR Luke Walton in a sign and trade could also work.

Possible Trades with the Minnesota Timberwolves:

1. Kevin Garnett FOR Odom, Bynum, and Brown. You can be assured that the Wolves would also require our 19th overall draft pick and Jordan Farmar. The Wolves would be getting a nice front court in Bynum and Brown, young talent in Farmar and a draft choice, and an expiring contract one year from now in Brown.

Possible Trades with the Portland Trail Blazers:

1. Zach Randolph and Jarret Jack FOR Lamar Odom.

Possible Trades with the Memphis Grizzlies:

1. Pau Gasol FOR Bynum, Brown, Farmar, and our 19th overall pick.

2. Pau Gasol FOR Bynum and Odom, and possibly our 19th overall pick.

3. Pau Gasol FOR Odom, Farmar, and our 19th overall pick.

What would I do? Well obviously if you can get Jermaine O’Neal without giving up Lamar Odom, that’s the deal to make when considering we’d have one of the premiere starting lineups in the league with Bryant, O’Neal, Odom, Walton, Farmar (or a mid-level exception signee).

If that deal didn’t work out, then what about Pau Gasol? He hasn’t been talked about all that much, but that first deal I came up with above looks very good. We’d be able to keep Odom, so the starting lineup would be Bryant, Gasol, Odom, Walton, and Farmar (or signee). Other than Bryant, we’d lack a perimeter scoring threat, but that lineup is very similar and talented to the one with Jermaine O’Neal plugged in. Gasol says he wants to stay in Memphis though, so the odds of this happening aren’t that great. Also, if talks get serious, don’t expect a deal to go down until after Jerry West leaves on July 1st.

If the Pacers and Grizzlies both require Odom in a trade package, I would then to go talk to the Wolves about a deal for Garnett. And although we’d be giving up a ton as you can see above, I believe I’d make that particular deal listed above. The deal would work from a dollars and cents standpoint, but would the Wolves go for it? Right now it looks like they wouldn’t since there hasn’t been an outcry from Garnett to be traded. But what we could offer has to be somewhat tempting to Kevin and the Wolves.

So let’s say all three of those deals don’t work out; after holding out as long as possible, I would go back to Indiana and trade Bynum, Odom, and Vujacic for Jermaine O’Neal (our draft pick wouldn’t be included). Although losing Odom would be a tough pill to swallow, it would be open up the possibility for a Kwame Brown trade (and this is assuming everything’s fine with him physically). Artest is a salary match, but would an expiring contract be enough for the Kings to bite on? The only other thing we could dangle at them would be our first round draft pick, and that might be too expensive of a price for Artest, but at least itd be an option. Kobe, O’Neal, Artest, Walton, and Farmar (or signee) would be a lineup that has the potential to contend for a title in the near future.

Thoughts?

  • AARON

    i just want us to get garnett that all.

  • WATZGOOD

    IT SUX DAT THIS SITE WAS MADE IN ORDER TO TRY TO LAND KEVIN GARNETT, BUT IT SEEMS AS IF THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN FANTASY NOW…
    OH WELL, FUCK IT, ITZ STILL LAKERS ALL THE WAY!

  • kobe

    everything sounds nice and good…but nothing is settle until the actual trade is done….

  • http://www.myspace.com/mitchterry4 unstoppable423

    I’m good with the J.O’Neal deal without Odom. I don’t want to lose Bynum AND Odom in one deal unless we absolutly HAVE to in the Garnett deal and thats IT. So i go with the Bynum, Brown Rad-Man Trade for J.O’Neal

  • http://nba Laker

    I tried the trade machine and got Kwame Brown for Ron Artest And Got Andrew Bynum, Vlademir Radmovic, and Lamar Odom for Kevin Garnett.

    Starting lineup if they do these trades

    Farmar
    Kobe
    Walton
    Artest
    Garnett

  • http://nba Laker

    Oh Yeah Championships

  • arnel,chicago,IL

    yea i like it but lets not trade lo… wat but portland trade i would do it but not give up odom.. but yea lets get something done…

  • http://nba.com Christopher

    Try to get garnett with Farmar,Brown and Odom. and sign Billups and Reshard Lewis.

  • Mark

    What Happedned to Smush?

  • kb24lightsout

    Its almpst impossible now to get garnett because of the cap room,and more importanly of the “junk” the Lakers have to offer.We need role players on this team and shouldn’t be talking about garnett anymore…

  • Rahil

    TRADE MACHINE
    1) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=592~981~2421&teams=13~21~21
    2) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617~1016~215&teams=24~24~13

    STARTERS: NASH, KOBE, WALTON, DUNCAN, BYNUM

    BENCH: SIGN ANDRE NOCIONI (BULLS), TURIAF, EVANS, FARMAR, COOK, MIHM,

  • Thuggishdeer

    YOU ALL ARE FOCUSING ON THE STARTING LINEUP TOOOOO MUCH! YOU ARE TRADING LIKE FOUR PLAYERS FOR ONE IS TOO RISKY CONSIDERING, IF ONE PLAYER GETS INJURED WHO IS GOING TO BACK HIM UP. WE WONT HAVE BYNUM OR BROWN JUST TURIAF AS THE ONLY BIG MAN ON THE BENCH. CHANGE THE WEB SITE NAME TO (4 GET GARNETT.COM) LOL. JUST GO FOR JASON KIDD, OR AND DRAFT ANOTHER POINT GUARD.

  • arnel,chicago,IL

    ok i did the espn trade machine and i got this 3 team trade but i probably wont happen… lakers,nets,pacers… lakers get JO AND KIDD..pacers get BYNUM,JASON COLLINS,K.BROWN AND RADMANOVIC..NETS get ODOM,VUJACIC,J.TINSLEY AND ORIEN GREENE.. NOW THAT WORKS OUT SALARY WISE BUT AS NETS AND PACERS LIKEING IT I DONT KNOW SO… BUT LAKERS SORT OF LOVE IT BUT GAVE LO AND BYNUM BUT NOW THE FRONT COURT IS SORT OF WEAK..STARTING LINEUP..
    KIDD
    KOBE
    WALTON
    JO(OR TURIAF)
    JO(MIHM)

  • arnel,chicago,IL

    ok im back maybe this trade between lakers and blazers..
    lakers get zach randolph anf jarrett jack and they get k.brown,vujacic and cook.. good by salary but i dont know if they want k.brown but they do wanna get rid of zach and jack cuz long contracts so…

  • http://myspace/earl317 lakers24life

    if dat JO wit no lamar deal dont work then dat deal wit zach randolf and jarret jack is lookin nice too.

  • KING KOBE

    [quote comment="1277"]Try to get garnett with Farmar,Brown and Odom. and sign Billups and Reshard Lewis.[/quote]
    Yea, and while you’re at it, trade sasha vujacic for Lebron James and Larry Hughes.

  • http://GETGARNETT.COM ROBERT

    u guys are fucken crazy if u think the lakers should trade jordan farmar this kid has the confidence..did u see how good he played in the playoffs!!(better than smush)

  • rmeazy82

    We need to stop dangling Odom in these deals.

  • Not Bynum and Odom

    Bynum and odom is to much 2 give up , but if kobes says he is goin 2 leave if nothin is goin 2 happen then u got to do it, but its 2 much

  • http://www.getgarnett.com Rok

    We shouldn’t give up our 19th draft pick , we need it …

  • lakersfan17

    Odom needs to go cause if we get artest or o’neal we have no space for him…

  • moe

    Get JO without giving up LO…….i think that LO + bynum is too much…..IMO, we could pull it off, just be stern about it, indiana really has no other option….

    JO for Bynum, Luke S&T, & Kwame….

    MLE –> PG and billups is not coming, he wants 10 mil +
    resign Mihm if hes ok

  • Ricky

    Oh gosh, more Lamar Odom trade talks. First of all, the Lakers should not trade Odom period. He is such a talented player and is capable of scoring, rebounding, and passing. He can contribute in so many ways, especially bringing the ball up court at his size gives the Lakers a huge advantage. The trade which I support most at this point is the package of Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Vladimir Radmanovic, and possibly the 19th pick in exchange for Jermaine O’Neal and a low-salary player like Orien Greene. This is a fair deal for both teams, and the salaries match up well. I would not sacrifice Odom in any Pacers deal, and if the Pacers won’t settle for a deal without Odom, then the Lakers should look for other options. So my opinon on Odom is to keep him. The deal which was proposed in this article and the one I posted is a fair deal for both sides and should be considered heavily. Another point I want to make clear is that the Lakers should not trade Jordan Farmar. He has a ton of confidence and is not afraid of playing with the best in the league. I think he will be a great point guard for years to come and if we do give up Bynum this summer, we have to keep at least Farmar for the future. These rumors are getting intense and I won’t be surprised if the Lakers and Pacers will be able to consumate a deal by draft night.

  • Justin M.

    Can we stop focusing on Kg till he comes out publicly that he wants to traded. As far as im concerend The T wolves will be the worst team in the west with or without him because the west i getting tougher every year. Most likely he’ll stay with the Twolves before a week till the trade deadline before he cant take the loosing anymore and we wont need him cause will have a built up roster on the way to a championship. Kg,u must not really hate loosing as much as u claim cause u still in a twolves jersey and aint complaining.

  • Kim

    Seriously some of you guys have some really stupid trade scenarious…
    Its impossible to get Garnett and he CANT play CENTER! hes more of a SF than a Center!
    Don’t give Bynum and Odom up for either JO or Gasol, it should be possible to get JO with a package of Bynum kwarme vlade (plus filler maybe) and picks… that would be the ultimate for both lakers and Pacers.

    That would give us Farmar(we have to sign a rutine PG) – Kobe – wlaton – Odom – JO

    its importen to have players that are about the same age – and Oom Kobe and JO are all the same age!

    The team above would be able to contend for Championchips, but we could make one more move, and eventhough i would love to get Artest to Lakers i really dont think is going to happend, he went to the Kings because he wanted to be the the number 1 scorer on his team – in lakers he would only be number 3…
    So beacuse of that i would try to get a Center beacuse Jo is best at PF and Odom is best SF (if we could keep him)…
    but a triangle of Kobe JO and Odom would be able to contend for titles…
    and if you then add walton, Farmer, evans and a new PG we would be looking really good..

  • Martin

    I’ll jump in. A lot of folks have been saying that the Lakers would be giving up too much if they trade Bynum AND Odom. I don’t agree. Granted, they’d be giving up a lot, but it’s not as if they would be emptying the cupboards. Taking an inventory of the Lakers roster, here is some perspective on next season. Aaron McKie, Smush Parker and Shammond Williams will all be gone, which will save the Lakers $4,673,112; that’s enough to sign one or two solid free agents. The two free agents on the team who the Lakers will probably hold on to are Luke Walton and Chris Mihm. Walton will cost about $5,000,000 per season. Mihm made $4,214,241 last season, but because he missed the last 1 1/2 seasons, his value is low, which means the Lakers can sign him at a considerable discount; around $1,000,000 or so. Walton and Mihm will essentially be tradign salaries, so nothign really changes with regard to the salary cap. If the Lakers do make a deal for Jermaine O’neal that includes Odom, Bynum and, say, Sasha Vujacic, these are the players they would be left with: Kobe Bryant, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Maurice Evans, Jordan Farmar, Vladimir Radmanovic and Ronny Turiaf. If the Lakers made no other deals, they would have the latter named players, plus Jermaine O’Neal, Luke Walton and Chris Mihm. They would have two roster spots to fill. Here are a few free agents that would be good for the Lakers and should be within their price range: Grant Hill (SF) Chris Webber (PF), Gerald Wallace (SF), Matt Carroll (SG), Steve Blake (PG), Jason Hart (PG), Jason Kapono (SF), Mo Williams (PG) and Mikki Moore (C). So, you see, the Lakers would definitely have some options, even if they trade Odom AND Bynum.

  • http://www.kb24.com darkice18

    Jermaine O’Neal FOR Bynum, Brown, and Radmanovic (our 19th overall would also definitely have to be included in this package). The big question is: Will the Pacers require Odom?

    *first of all that deal will be great for the pacers cause the pacers will have basically a FUTURE GREAT center in bynum…an expiring 9 million in kwame and can sign an allstar next season….also the pacers has been weak in the 3 point threat for a long timme so Vlade will fit perfect wit that….and the 19th pick they can draft a potential all star cause this is one of the deepest drafts…so basically the PACERS recieve a great package….the question is does LARRY BIRD want to make us LAKERS (remember Larry and Magic Rivalry) HAPPY????

  • Cyrus

    I am sorry guys but why do you have to fill your site with this crab?
    1-Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol don’t want to be traded.
    2-Indys would never trade Jermaine O’Neal without Odom.
    3-JJ and Zack for Lamar???Get real.
    Kids playing with ESPN trade Machine and become fantasy GMs and this site makes a big deal of it. Is this a JOKE.

  • Kobe All Day 8

    seriously screw everyone else except KG

    thats all im worried about man…

    give away whoever just get KG on that god forsaken TEAM ASAP!

    and keep kobe ofcourse…

  • Kim

    Keep Bynum!
    after hearing a interview with him i have changed my mind…
    keep bynum Odom and Kobe…. there is future in Bynum!

    Try to make something happend with all the others guys and sign FA’s how hard is that?

    make a walton plus filler FOR Artest trade and then sign up a good PG and myabe Grant hill…

    MO williams – Kobe – Artest / Grant hill – Odom – Bynum…

  • drastic measures

    I think the lakers need a real big shakeup in their roster, and if they aquired KG and Artest they would have an perrenial NBA-championship team.

  • Justin Page

    CYRUS:

    >

    That’s stated in the article.

    >

    Cyrus, you’d make a great GM.

    >

    Works from a FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, so it is realistic. I wouldn’t touch that trade either.

    >

    This is where your completely wrong, educated sports fans play with the trade machine to back up what they are writing about. It just wastes everyones time to post trades that aren’t realistic. I’ll personally guarantee you one of the trades in my article (or something very similar) will happen within the next month.

  • lakerfan81

    Just because a deal works financially on the trade machine does not mean that it can happen. GMs from other teams are not going to make trades that make the lakers better. There job is to make their teams better. Heres the problem the lakers are facing:

    Everyone in the league knows that the lakers are desperate because Kobe said that he wants to be traded unless some major changes are made, so its going to be hard to make trades that equal (the lakeres will get the short end)

    Indiana is not going to trade JO without odom being involved ( because they know the lakers are desperate and need to make changes or lose KObe). so the only trade that works there is JO for Odom. Bynum and filler. They probably want our first round pick as well. Also I think they want to give us tinsley in this trade. I know the lakers need a PG but the Tinsley doesnt fit becuase he is not a shooter

    Pau Gasol and KG do not want to be traded (or at least have not askes for it) and in order for the lakers to get KG he would specifically have to be asked to be traded to the lakers.

    The lakers biggest problem last year was that they could not play defense. Their offense was great when everyone was healthy. They could not keep anyone from penetrating into the lane. Then when Brown got injured there was really no one in the paint that could alter shots or at least no big bodies to get in peoples ways.

    This is what I see the lakers doing this offseason

    trade LO Bynum, vujacic for JO and oriene green. It is overpaying but the lakers are desperate and it is the best they can do. Indiana will try to include tinsley but the lakers wont want that trade. If this trade happens it will be soon because they will want to make before July 1 because oneals salary goes up.

    Try to sign Grant Hill for the MLE or a PG that can defend and shoot (I dont know who is available at that price range)

    They will resign walton and if Mihm can play they will resign him as well

    if they keep their pick they will draft Crittenton or another PG that is available

    Their line up will look like this

    C: Brown
    PF: O’neal
    SF: Walton/HIll
    SG: Kobe
    PG: Farmar MLE or possibly a trade

    this line up is big up front with Brown and O’neal. i know everyone thinks Brown sucks But is not a bad defensive player and hes getting better defensively. This makes the lakers defense better but they will still have a problem with stopping penetration at the Guard position.

    Artest looks good on paper but he wont fit in here because he wants to be th focus of the offense and if he comes here he will be the third optoin and it will just create problems and he will want to be traded next season anyways.

  • LA-KB24

    yo i love the idea of getting JO with out giving up LO…. r starting five i like–
    MO Williams
    Kobe Bryant
    Luke Walton
    Lamar Odom
    Jermaine O’Neal— thats a complete contender

  • Mr RiCo

    Let’s sign Rico Lee for $1M a year!

  • RoWyN

    I have a few issues with trading Lamar (and maybe Lamar and Kwame). They are the same guys we got from the Shaq deal (Kwame = Caron). Anyway, it just seems like if we proceed with traing them, whoever we get from that trade would be the one we got from the Shaq deal. It’s okay if we get KG, ’cause there was no chance we could’ve traded Shaq for KG. But it bugs me if all we’re getting now is little O’Neal (JO), maybe Gasol, Zach Randolph, or whoever it may be.

    I know its time for change and we’re forced to make a move but it’s kind of like getting jacked twice.

  • lakerfan81

    Ive got an idea why don’t we just trade the whole team for the spurs then we could win. Or better yet we will just go back in time and trade our team for the 96 bulls or the original dream team with MJ Magic Larry Robinson etc etc. NO one could beat us then

  • TA

    If we could trade odom and brown to get JO then we should focus on Bynum to NEW JERSERY. One Player (even Garnett) is not going to get the lakers to title position but if you can get 2 players especially the likes of JO and Jason Kidd then i think you can start to compete with a lineup of:

    kidd
    bryant
    walton
    substitute in a decent starter in the NBA
    O’neal

    and you can now compete with the spurs, suns and mavs

  • RoWyN
  • arnel,chicago,IL

    hey rowyn reat trade looks good for all teams but lets see

  • Gimp

    [quote comment="1280"]TRADE MACHINE
    1) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=592~981~2421&teams=13~21~21
    2) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617~1016~215&teams=24~24~13

    STARTERS: NASH, KOBE, WALTON, DUNCAN, BYNUM

    BENCH: SIGN ANDRE NOCIONI (BULLS), TURIAF, EVANS, FARMAR, COOK,
    MIHM,[/quote]

    ure on crack if you think the suns will take kwame for nash or the spurs will take odom for duncan

  • arnel,chicago,IL
  • arnel,chicago,IL

    yea this wont happen but it will make us a championship team we get jo and kg
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~1998~1016~615~261~998&teams=11~11~16~16~16~13~11
    jo
    kg
    walton
    kobe
    farmar or pg mle signe

  • TA
  • TA

    ^Paul
    kobe
    lebron
    Duncan
    ANYBODY!!

  • lakerfan81

    heres a trade throw in draft picks where needed http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~617~2421~1708~615~125&teams=11~11~11~7~7~13~13

    lakers get the best front court in the NBA Indiana gets what they want in LAmar and Bynum and an expiring contract in Brown, Denver (if the rumors true that they want to trade camby because they have so many big men) get rid of Camby and get a couple shooters that can come off the bench and score

  • Cyrus

    Justin Page,

    I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, it wasn’t my intention. I know you put a lot work in your trade proposal and it wasn’t fair on my part to undermine you work.

    However, please consider this:

    ESPN trade machine displays the 06-07 salaries and is still carrying Brian Grant (do you remember him?) under Lakers’ salary with $15.Mil plus. And, it doesn’t show it on the list of the players, but the total salary ($77.4 Mil)is correct. So, If you make a trade and DO NOT consider the $15.-Mil coming off the cap, ESPN machine may not let you make some trades which would be within the cap room in less than a month (July 1st.)

    One way would be, in a realistic scenario, and would require a lot of work is to go to (http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm) It gives you the salaries for the next 4 years. Now, this one doesn’t have a “machine” so you have to do it on paper.

    Regarding Garnett and Gasol I still think there is little hope to get any of the two. Thus, I would concentrate more on available players.

    Jermaine O’Neal for Odom and Bynum is not a smart move considering the urgent need for improvement on both sides of the court, and I don’t care how desperate Mitch Kupchak is.

    Having only two attractive parts, Odom and Bynum, it would make more sense to wrap two, eventually tree packages:

    Package 1, wrapped with Odom and spare parts.
    Package 2, with Bynum and filler.
    Package 3, with a little bit of used cars salesmanship you could have a third package with Brown (1 year contract) plus filler and draft pick. You don’t get a whole lot but it may get you, let say Artest or Camby. Draft Pick may be used in any of above 3 trades to “lubricate” the deal.

    Kevin Garnett trade for Bynum and Odom is a different story and would be a dream even if they had to add 2 more players plus draft pick.

    And finally and certainly, I am not an expert, I am just a fan wishing the best for our beloved Lakers. So, please excuse my armature opinion.
    Cyrus

  • RoWyN

    [quote post="254"]arnel,chicago,IL
    Jun 6th, 2007 at 1:02 pm Quote

    ok but about this trade we keep LO
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~1998~1016~615~261~998&teams=11~11~16~16~16~13~11/quote

    — Arnel, one thing I’m trying to avoid is trade both Bynum and Kwame out. Even if we keep LO and get Garnett but instead weaken our front court help, we won’t be able to maximize having the stars that we have.

    Imagine having,

    Bynum or Mihm
    KG
    Artest or Grant Hill (trade straight up for Luke Walton)
    Kobe
    Lamar / Farmar

    That’s a solid team.

  • arnel,chicago,IL

    ok lakersfan81 thata a good trade for us but i dont think denver will accept but indiana would but maybe if we give brown or somebody to denver then they would maybe accept… ok rowyn i see wat u saying but indi wont wants at least bynum,lo or bynum and brown so and also salary cap wise but iwould love if we get jo with keeping lo and even brown or bynum that great…

  • Justin Page

    Cyrus my friend,
    No harm done…I just didn’t think you put much thought into that first post. No big deal. About that cap, your correct, the numbers will fluctuate, but I figure we’ll worry about that when the time comes. Who knows if the Lakers will make a deal before or after that July 1 date, but its cool to take a look at what could possibly happen before then.

    Your right about Garnett and Gasol also, there is little hope to get either of them. But both have been seriously talked about (at least by Laker fans), so why not take a look at how realistic those options are? That’s all I was doing.

    And that Portland trade…Randolph and Jack for Lamar. Obviously I would never make that deal, but its been talked about, and there is a match in salaries.

    Your also right about Odom and Bynum for O’Neal…that’s way too much, and all avenues should be persued to make another deal if the Pacers require both, but at the end of the day, there’s still a chance it happens (let’s hope it doesn’t).

    I disagree with you about the three separate packages. Bynum’s salary is too low to get an experienced star player in return. So you HAVE to pair him with either Brown’s expiring contract or Lamar’s high cap number. Obviously, we’d like to keep Lamar over Brown.

    I also disagee with you about trading Odom in that first package. We wouldn’t get enough in return for Odom and “spare parts.” His value has decreased due to the torn labrum, and but he’s still a really good relatively young player that we need.

  • RoWyN

    A couple of things are for sure, the bench needs a major revamp, and Walton and Smush need to be upgraded.

  • TA

    Rowyn,

    Nothing against you or anything my man but i think luke walton is solid

  • http://getgarnett.com Jackson

    if u read this comment back

    Lets get bosh or dwight howard young great players lets say if we get garnett hes old so hes gona retie in maybe 4 years and jermaine will retire 2 years after if we get bosh he has a good 11 seasons going if we get howard he has a good 13 seasons going then we sign lewis or billups

    lineup if we do this

    farmar
    kobe
    walton
    odom- we might get to keep odom
    bosh

    or
    farmar
    kobe
    walton
    lamar if we get howard we defintily get ot keep odom
    howard

  • RoWyN

    TA — I agree with you. I think luke is one of the smartest players in the league. I got nothing to say but good things about him …. except for one, he’s too slow to be smaller than the other SF, and at the same time too short to play the post. He’s a really good back-up player (maybe even as a 6th man), but I just don’t see him as the starting SF for the championship team we all want the lakers to be.

    Also, as a sidenote, the better teams now have the Josh Howard, Luol Deng, Lebron, Carmelo, etc playing the SF position. We’ll need someone that can cover them. Isn’t Gerald Wallace available?

  • RoWyN

    [quote post="254"]…. except for one, he’s too slow to be smaller than the other SF, and at the same time too short to play the post.[/quote]

    I just want to clarify this… I meant Luke is too slow to guard the quicker SF and too small to bang with the bigger ones.

  • http://nba Laker

    This is the best most reasonable trade:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~617~1016~261~25&teams=23~16~16~16~13~13

    We would end up with a starting lineup of

    Farmar
    Bryant
    Walton
    Artest
    Garnett

    This is a great team that would bring championships

    We would have to give up Odom but its worth it since we would get Kg

  • arnel,chicago,IL

    hey sup people… ok i like the trade that laker made BUT i dont think that kings will give up artest for k.brown… but i wish they would that be great..

  • arnel,chicago,IL

    hey if all these trades fail wat then… well just get j.jack and z.randolph for brown and radman.. but it will really suck if we dont get no new players to help out kobe…

  • Cyrus

    Justin Page,

    Regarding Bynum salary being too small to be traded, go back to your first Post and look at your proposal to get Jason Kidd. It’s no different than what I am saying.

    Regarding Odom, he will recover (I sure hope so) and he will be the main ingredient to any major trade. DO NOT believe for a second that Indys would not ask for Odom as well as for Bynum. And, I think the swap with JO for LO and Bynum will eventually happen. They only thing holding this trade is the fact that they want Lakers’ draft pick/s and at the same time they would like to get rid of Jamaal Tinsley and Lakers are not trilled about Tinsley.

    Now if they could get JO without giving up both Odom and Bynum than we are closer to my 2 or 3 packages deal because we could even go after Jason Kidd with Bynum and Co.(stop, I am dreaming again)

    Also you are proposing in your original post Brown (or Brown and filler) for Artest. This is again what I was suggesting in the 3rd package.

    I’ll be honest to you, this trade stuff is giving me a bad headache because Lakers’s management does, what they want to do, and they don’t give a rat’s a$$ what fans think. I have promised my self not to get involved in fantasy trade discussions but if you and others having fun doing it, enjoy, why not.

    There are couple of sites (you might already know them) that gives us a better look at players skills

    1- http://www.nba.com/hotzones/
    This is really a cool tool to check out players shooting skills.

    2- http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jermaine_oneal/index.html?nav=page this one comes handy when you want to compare two players, just go to this side and on the right side you see “compare players”. select your players and it gives you a comparison of 2 players side by side.

    Have fun.
    Cyrus

  • Mau24

    what player are involucreted in the 6 teams possible trade?

  • arnel,chicago,IL

    i came up with a deal that TA has said 3 team trade we get kidd and jo.. to indi goes bynum and brown and if they want vujacic…and nets get lo and radman now i think as much as lo wants to stay nj is close to new york so…. starting lineup if turiaf,luke and mihm resigned is
    kidd
    kobe
    walton
    jo or turiaf
    jo or mihm
    this not bad team
    NOW DAMN IT ALL TEAMS AGREE TO THIS TRADE….

  • Lakerjones

    Really, you guys are getting too near and dear with this bunch of lame Lakers. Yes, I feel bad for Lamar after an awful offseason last year. But has he really worked with Kobe? Not that well actually. Is that going to change any time soon since it hasn’t in the past three years? No. When has Lamar played his best? With Kobe out of the game injured. Period. End of story. Lamar is a great rebounder and a wonderful talent. But it didn’t work it out. He could not get his game to compliment Kobe’s.

    It’s like a hand of cards – time to throw some out and try some new ones. Haven’t we played enough games now to tell this team isn’t going to work? Why hang on to a bunch of players that don’t fit. Why so hung up on Bynum? You guys are no different than the knuckleheads running the front office so far. “It’s too much to give up Lamar and Bynum,” what, for an all star player? Are you kidding? Go ahead, pull the trigger on the damn thing. Everyone should be tradeable on this team right now not named Kobe. He doesn’t believe in this team and neither should you. As he said, no one really thinks this team is going to win a championship.

    So go out and get some good players. Jermaine O’ Neal is a good player. KG is a great player. Artest is a good player. Camby is a good player. Go ahead, make something happen and honestly as many of these guys as can go with the exception of Farmar and Turiaf is cool with me. They are so abysmally weak at point guard that they need Farmar at least as a backup, and Rony is just awesome and needs to be here because he brings great positive energy to the franchise which we desperately need. I like Evans as well.

    Please dump all the knuckleheads: Radman, Cook, Sasha, Smush, McKie (I know, he’s gone anyway and so is Smush), Kwame – how are these losers still around taking up room and cap space? Worst Lakers ever. Seriously.

    Walton is ok, but not all that either. For a guy in his contract season he sure stunk up the last half and the playoffs. I don’t care if his ankle wasn’t a hundred percent. He’s always been a defensive liability at the 3, and he’s a piss poor shooter on top of it. Being one dimensional as a passer in the triangle isn’t enough to get massively strapped with another long term contract. He really dropped off big time. True, Lamar is about the only decent player with heart, but he’s got to go if you can get a real player like Jermaine O’ Neal.

  • rmeazy82

    All you people on here saying trade L.O. for Artest need to quit. L.O. as a third scoring option is off the hook, we need to give up Bynum, another player, and a 2nd round pick for J.O. Then we need to sign a veteran pg to play defense, jason hart from the clippers would be perfect. Maybe sign Grant Hill, with these additions don’t be mad at me when we playing past the first round of the playoffs.

  • rmeazy82

    And Lakerjones is absolutely right, DO NOT TOUCH FARMAR OR TURIAF..

  • RoWyN

    [quote post="254"]rmeazy82
    Jun 7th, 2007 at 8:30 am Quote

    All you people on here saying trade L.O. for Artest need to quit. L.O. as a third scoring option is off the hook, we need…..[/quote]

    You are a smart man rmeazy82. That’s is what I’ve been trying to say about not trading LO. As inconsistent as he had been, maybe he just isn’t accustomed to being the 2nd main scoring option. Now, that 2nd option is what we need.

    In addition to these, don’t trade both Kwame and Bynum, we’ll need one of them at least for backup. Other backups to keep, like you said, turiaf and farmar. Luke Walton can be backup but in terms of his starting role, an upgrade deems necessary.

  • lakerfan81

    I don’t know why everyone keeps talking about needing more scoring options for the lakers when their biggest problem was defense not offense. When everyone was healthy they were playiong great offensively then walton got injure snd Odom then they didnt really have anyone but Kobe.

    Heres what the lakers need:

    1. Someone in the post that can grab rebounds and alter shots. Brown is good defensively (not offensively) and getting better. Odom is a OK defender and he creates match up problems for other PF because of his versatility. Hes good at guarding versatile PF such as Dirk. But hes not the type of player thats going to make it difficult for people to finish near the rim. Thats the type of player we need

    2. A PG that can defend and Shoot. We don’t need a PG that can scores alot or one that gets alot of assists. In the triangle there really isn’t a true PG position anyways. Most of the passing of the play making comes from off the ball movement and from the SF position where Pippen played in chicago. We need someone that can hit open shots and keep his player in front of him and out of the lane.

    the reason the bulls were so good in the 90s was because of their defense. Look at the 96 bulls. they had Pippen and MJ two of the best all time perimeter defenders. Then they had Rodman who was the best defensive player in the game then. The other positions they didnt have great defensive players but hey played great team defense to cover for their weaknesses.

    The lakes right now do not have those type of players on their team. If you want to see how important defense is look at the Cavs. LJ does not have a superstar scorer to play with but what he does have is a team that plays great defense. Look at the suns in the games that they won again the spurs it was because they actually played defense.

    the lakers do not need to get better offensively they need to get better definsively

  • RoWyN

    [quote post="254"]lakerfan81
    Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:09 am Quote

    I don’t know why everyone keeps talking about needing more scoring options for the lakers when their biggest problem was defense not offense.[/quote]

    Lakerfan, I do agree that the Lakers lack defense more importantly on stopping penetrations. But the lakers aren’t okay with their offense. It’s a fact that Kobe can outscore some teams by himself (at will) and that it’s also true that the lakers were fine when they were healthy, but have you noticed that every night you can’t really tell who would be the second or third source for offense? Most games it was Lamar, other nights it was Luke, sometimes its only Maurice Evans or Radmanovic, occassionally it would be Kwame, and a good chunk of them none. This is a major concern IMO. With all that, I do agree that defense needs to be improved though.

  • punkjones

    Yeah, I concur with RoWyn –
    Lakerfan81 is dead on that we need to improve drastically in defense, particularly at the Point Guard position. And it would also help to have a better shot blocker down low. That’s a problem with Lamar for sure. JO would look a lot better down there for blocking shots. Doesn’t help the point guard situation and I don’t know what the solution there is. Hopefully someone decent for the MLE. But RoWyn is right – our offense has a serious problem. When Kobe had to turn on the super juice at the end of the season scoring 50 points at a clip, he really burned himself out. No one else on the team was consistently useful at all in that department helping him out. Lamar, Walton, Parker, they all faded big time. These guys aren’t classic Lakers on any level. If we keep most of these guys Kobe will be disgusted. I don’t care if we have to give up Lamar and Bynum. Bynum is a bench kid at this point. He really sucked the last half of the year. It will literally take him 3-4 more years to become a bona fide starter and we simply don’t have the time as we’re now all aware. If no big moves such as JO are made we’ll have 2 years of Kobe, period. End of story. Still worth hanging on to Bynum and Lamar? Are they precious commodities? I don’t think so. I like Lamar as a person. He’s probably a lot cooler to hang with than Kobe for that matter. But I am tired of all those missed layups, the turnovers in the clutch, not keeping his head in the game.

  • DEMARCOS HARDWELL

    THE LAKERS TRADES
    LAMAR ODOM
    ANDREW BYNUM
    SASHA VIJACIC
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    FOR

  • lakerfan81

    Punkjones and Rowyn I was not trying to say the lakers offense was perfenct and that a more consistent second option woulndt be good. It just seems everyone on here is trying to improve the offense when the biggest improvement needs to be on defense. We need another really good perimeter defender and a solid interior defender.

    I’m not saying hte lakers can do this this off season because they really dont have the peices to pull this off, but if they got a solid interior defender like Camby and a PG (doesnt even have to be a true PG you can put a player like Snow or Bell here and it would work) that can defend and couple shooters to come off the bench Lamar as a second option works if hes playing at the SF position. He averages 19 pts 9 rbs and 5 assists. From this position his rebounding would drop but his assists would probably go up.

    Now if you could get a great perimenter defender and a player like KG(not going to happen) or JO to play PF that can score and defend the team automatically becomes better.

    Trading Lamar and Bynum for Jo works if you can get a good perimeter defender to play outside with Kobe and a couple of shooters off the bench. The problem is that I don;t think there are any players available that the lakers can pick up to fill this spot.

    I think trading for JO works good. Giving up LO and Bynum is overpaying but if that is the only option available then there really is no choice. With JO and Brown you have big front court with long arms. Brown wouldnt have to play offense he could just play defense (which he’s good at). Then if the Lakers can sign grant hill for the MLE or a PG. The team would be better. WIth JO you can run pick and rolls with Kobe abecause he is a great shooter from 15 feet this would open up the lane alot for Kobe. I still dont think they could beat the spurs, because the spurs are unstoppable when Parker Giobili and Duncan all play good. But it is a start

  • Thuggishdeer

    OK EVERYONE HERE IS HOW THE LAKERS WILL BECOME A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM. ARE YOU READY FOR THIS? COMBINE THE CLIPPERS WITH THE LAKERS TO FORM THE…
    “CLIKERS”
    AND THE STARTING LINE UP FOR THE CLICKERS WILL BE…
    KOBE
    BRAND
    LAMAR
    MEGGETE
    CASSEL

    ITS TIME TO STOP FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER AND START JOINING FORCES!
    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, CLICKERS!

  • punkjones

    Lakerfan 81,
    Great points. I do agree with you on all of that. JO is a good trade, and keeping LO would be nice. But if defense is the key, and you’re right it is, then maybe it is better for the Lakers to have Kwame with JO than LO with JO. Problem here being that Lamar just isn’t that great at the 3 any more. He’s now used to and comfortable with playing the 4, but so is JO. I get the feeling that JO doesn’t want to go back to playing center like he did early in his career. We definitely need a perimeter defender as well as you say. I’m not sure that guy is out there and available either, unless maybe it’s Artest. What would really be remarkable is to see Artest along with JO and LO. Granted, JO would have to go to center (because Kwame would have to be thrown in on JO deal for salaries), and you might have to give up a valuable player, say Walton to get Artest. But oh my. If we had those three as starters with Kobe, watch out. You could stick me at point guard and we’d do serious damage. A decent point guard or maybe a Grant Hill MLE signing after that and I do believe that we could knock the Spurs out. Artest would demolish Ginobli, JO could at least put some body on Duncan and Lamar could play against Elston or whoever nobody they have at center. Kobe vs. Bowen is fine. Kobe is absolutely unafraid of the Spurs. That’s why we still kicked some ass on them this year. We just need that decent defensive guard to help stop the penetration. We’d still have a very good bench with Farmar, Turiaf, Evans and who cares who else, Vlad or Cook to provide some outside shooting. I personally would give up Walton for Artest, even though the guy is a lunatic. He’s an unbelievably good small forward. Something we haven’t had since .. . oh, James Worthy maybe. As fun as Rick Fox was as a Laker he wasn’t near the talent of Artest.

  • DEMARCOS HARDWELL

    sign jamaal magloire for mle signing.
    sign sebastain telfair.
    sign a vet sf-pf that can rebound and score.
    resign luke walton.
    resign chris mihm.
    resign shammond williams.

    trade lamar odom,andrew bynum,kwame brown and 19th pick for jermaine oneal,jamaal tinsley.

    trade sasha vujacic & vladimir radmanovic & 48th pick & 1st future round draft pick for ron artest.

    lakers line-up

    jammaal magloire.
    jermaine oneal.
    ron artest.
    kobe bryant.
    jammaal tinsley.

    bench
    luke walton.
    jordan farmar.
    maurice evans.
    brain cook.
    sebastain telfair.
    ronny turiaf.
    chris mihm.
    shammond williams.
    40th draft pick pg-sg that can shoot and can play defense.

    how ya like dat team???????

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    an interesting tidbit…i was just on the nba store webpage..just looking for some stuff on clearence..and i noticed some teams have certain players jerseys on sale…!!!take a few guesses…KG,JO,PG,MB think about it or check it out!!!

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    i can smell the championship title for them if they do the trades!! fuck kobe if he will be traded the lakers will be down!! and thats the team he started

  • Michael

    First of all, I just wanted to say that this was one of the most well written posts I’ve read about the whole Laker dilemma. It takes into account the financial standpoint of the whole situation, which makes it more credible than these other guys.
    I also wanted to mention that people forget that the lakers were one of the best teams for the first two months of this season but injuries plagued them. The chemistry they were building in the last two years was there but people quickly forgot about that because of their dissapointing early playoff exit. I think any trade that includes Odom will ruin the Lakers chances of winning a championship. Who else in the league can u say is as versatile as Odom? I think if we add someone one like O’Neal or Gasol the Lakers will definetely be a contender. Also to trade Kobe would be like trading Babe Ruth. Who in their right mind would trade the next Michael Jordan. I wouldn’t even trade him for Lebron. He can’t make a jumpshot to win a game in the Finals…the Finals, baby! Maybe in five years. But right now Kobe is the fucking man! Anyone whose a Laker fan and wants Kobe gone is out of their righteous mind! No one in the league has the drive and the “killer instinct” like Kobe. All he wants is a championship but he realizes that he needs help. He’s a laker and will always be a laker. Shame on you haters.

  • Thuggishdeer

    IM SORRY I WANTED TO WRITE SOMTHING , BUT I… JUST FOUND OUT KOBE IS MORE LIKELY TO BE TRADED RIGHT NOW AND… AFTER HEARING SO MANY LAKER HATERS, KOBE HATERS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE FANS OF OTHER TEAMS. I CANT BARE TO SEE KOBE GOING ON THEIR TEAM. GUYS… IF KOBE GOES IM NOT GOING TO WATCH B BALL ANYMORE, BECAUSE IT TURNS OUT KOBE LIED ABOUT HIM PLAYING BECAUSE HE LOVES THE GAME AND BACK THEN HE PLAYED WITH HIS HEART LIKE MIKE AND WON 3 TITLES. NOW… HE JUST PLAIN WANTS TO WIN! I GUESS BASKETBALL IS NOT A GAME ANYOMORE TO ANYONE, KOBE WAS THE ONLY ONE LEFT AND HES ON THE VERGE OF LOSING RESPECT FOR HIS PASSION, AND IF YOU DONT HAVE THAT. ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP WOULD A SELL OUT!