Caron: A Laker for Life?

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Last night and early this morning, the rumors began swelling that Mitch was not done with his “tweaking” of the Lakers.

Before Andrew Bynum went down, many fans were pleading with the front office to do not much more than a minor “tweak.”

Then we witnessed the Pau Gasol blockbuster that spawned an avalanche of Western Conference trades in an attempt to match the fire power of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Even after the trade onslaught, our dream line-up includes two seven footers, a six-ten rebounding machine, the best in the game, and one of the most under rated point guard role players in the NBA. In other words, our line-up would still match up favorably against the top tier teams in the west, and perhaps even the Celtics of the east.

However, a huge threat has been looming over our heads for the past five days. Kobe’s finger needs surgery. In fact, it’s so bad that Gary Vitti called the all-star trainers last night via cell phone and told them to keep Kobe safe from any further harm. According to TNT’s Craig Sager, the all-star staff’s opinion was that Kobe’s finger was in dire condition and that “no one should play in such a condition.”

Even though the Lakers Nation is divided on whether to get surgery or not, it’s very clear that Kobe’s finger presents a crucial dilemma. On the one hand, if Kobe does not get surgery, he will risk permanent problems and reoccurrences that impede his play, not only this season but long term. On the other hand, no one can predict the future and it’s pretty clear that we have a chance at the finals this year. The minute you take Kobe out of the line-up, along with another month of Bynum recovery, the slight margin between first and ninth place in the west is simply not enough to insure our arrival in the playoffs as our team heals.

In short, we either go for a title this year, or we’re back in the lottery; a lottery that we cannot even enjoy because we traded our draft pick for Pau Gasol.

Faced with those choices, Kobe’s decision was clear: play through the pain and give himself and our team a chance at winning the O’Brien.

Would last night’s and this morning’s rumors change the dynamic of the dilemma?

Absolutely.

First, I want to make it clear that I am biased. I’m still bitter over the first Kwame trade. A part of me feels as though this rumor should not even be a possibility… part of me is still waiting to wake up from what the Wizard announcers called “the greatest trade of all-time.” We should already have Butler on our team.

Now that I’ve said my piece, let’s explore how this trade might make sense for us.

Although Lamar Odom swears up and down that he’s a “natural” small forward, his performance in games has shown us otherwise; at least when it comes to his play in the triangle offense. I’ve heard many fans say that he gives smaller forwards fits when he defends them. I disagree. Yes Lamar has length against these players, but Lamar is not a guy you can put on an all-star perimeter player and expect much defensively. I’m not saying he’s a liability, because he is not, he’s just not a lock down defender.

Conversely, Lamar is a rebounding machine. The reason why the Lakers are one of the top rebounding teams is because of Lamar Odom. His ability to rebound and go coast to coast in the open court is a joy to watch and a wonder to have on the team. Assuming Lamar remains on the Lakers this season, his skills will work wonders when his playing time meshes with those of the quicker up-tempo bench mob.

When Andrew Bynum returns, Phil Jackson will have a tough decision regarding the starting line-up. While Lamar is the obvious choice to start small forward with Gasol and Bynum, it would mean Lamar playing more perimeter on offense and defense. As talented and skilled as Lamar is, his ideal spots on the court are not on the perimeter.

If Mitch Kupchak trades Lamar Odom for Caron Butler, the dynamics of the team change drastically. Caron Butler plays the perimeter very well. He’s a legitimate all-star small forward who many pundits considered as a MVP candidate due to his “surprising” ability to carry the hobbled Wizards in recent play. In short, Caron Butler is a legitimate number one or number two option on offense. He’s a league leader in steals and a top defensive player. Typically Caron will defend the top perimeter player on the opposing team.

People have unfairly wanted Lamar Odom to be a “Scottie Pippen” to Kobe. Caron Butler is precisely that type of player.

Further, because Caron Butler has such tremendous skill and ability, it immediately would give the Lakers some reprieve to the finger dilemma.

Caron Butler, Pau Gasol, and Derek Fisher could probably hold the fort down just enough to keep the Lakers in playoff position should Kobe opt for surgery. A team of Lamar, Gasol, and Fisher simply won’t get it done.

The trade deadline is this Thursday, which would allow for such a surgery to take place in time for a play-off run.

What about the triangle offense?

You’ll remember that after Tomjanovich walked out in mid-season, the Lakers struggled so heavily that Kobe actually requested that the team implement the triangle. Yes, Kobe had criticized the triangle even months prior, but had determined it was a viable solution to the Lakers’ problems. They began running the triangle and Caron’s play excelled tremendously at the end of the season.

If Mitch could trade Lamar Odom and an out of place role player such as Luke Walton, for Caron Butler and pretty much anyone, it would help our team tremendously. While I’d miss Lamar’s rebounding, it’s not as though Caron can’t rebound… he just does not enjoy the abilities of Lamar. Caron’s offensive and defensive presence certainly would outweigh the four rebounds a game that Caron gives up to Lamar.

The fans like Lamar. We do. Let’s admit it. When we have three options out there (Bynum, Gasol, and Bryant), Lamar is a perfect fit. However, Caron Butler is a fan favorite much the way Derek Fisher was (although we had much more affinity for Fish).

I can at least speak for myself, every time I see Caron Butler, I consider him a Laker. Even though he played one season, he was such a trooper; he has never been forgotten among the Lakers Nation.

The Lakers’ front office is facing some long term decisions. Lamar’s salary will be roughly $14.1 million next season, and it’s an expiring contract much the way Kwame’s was this season. With our team facing the luxury tax threshold by extending contracts to Turiaf and Vujacic, Kupchak will either just bite the bullet and re-sign Lamar, or he’ll be traded. If the team is facing this decision in the off season, and they’re also looking at the finger dilemma right now, it certainly would make some sense to attempt this trade.

Lamar has not had a reputation for working hard in the off season to improve and become better. This is why he’s been a perpetual “could be” all-star, but never a true all-star despite the star that he wore on his head for the first half of the season.

Caron Butler, on the other hand, has a reputation for improving every single year. Before being traded to the Wizards, he was actually Kobe’s work out partner. I think it’s safe to say, anyone working out with Kobe in the off season is probably working very hard to improve. In fact, the Wizards love Caron Butler precisely for this reason. We’ve seen the best of Lamar; we have not seen the best of Caron Butler.

Even though Mitch Kupchak has made the Lakers relevant again through his wise non-trades and his shrewd trade for Gasol, I still give the Executive of the Year to Pat Riley. What he accomplished in one trade was more than anyone could imagine.

If Mitch Kupchak pulls off a trade for Caron Butler, then there’s no doubt who the greatest GM in the NBA is.

Personally, I think Caron has been a Laker for life all this time. Watching Butler play for the Wizards reminds me of watching Derek Fisher play for Golden State and the Utah Jazz… he’s wearing another uniform, but the heart remains with us.

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  • Phant0M

    Basically you see this.

    Fisher brings the ball down the court.
    Gives it to kobe

    Passes it to BYNUM in the post

    See’s an OPEN Odom/Butler on the left wing.

    Who’s gonna make the 3 in playoff time.?

    Or you can look it from another perspective.
    Can butler get those double digit rebounds that odom
    gives us with his length??..

    It’s really hard to decide for me, ..
    As i haven’t seen Bynum/Gasol/Odom Front court Play yet..

    But we’ll see how it all pans out.

  • Tim-4-Show

    If we think the trade is marginal, then I say GO FOR IT simply because it will allow Kobe to get surgery.

    If we think it’s marginal, hopefully the Wizzards see it that way too.

  • JCBiglessworth

    im sorry but…..caron butler is NOT a laker for life. Yes he is a great player, but he didnt do anything close to doing what fisher has done for us, I wouldnt put em in the same category.

    And Wizards wont trade caron for lamar, c’mon wake up. Besides were contenders they way we are now with a big front line, im buying my tickets to the finals soon lol!!

  • Tony

    As much as the swap is intriguing intellectually, I do not believe Butler for Odom can or will happen. Butler is having a much better season and is paid $5 mil less than Odom. He is a beloved player with the Wizards. I just can’t see the Wizards doing this deal. Anyone who wants this trade to go down clearly understands Butler’s worth. So then why would the Wizards do this trade then? Trade a fan favorite and good player for someone making much more money and may not be as good?? I am going to accept Odom as a Laker, despite his overblown salary, and root for his success and value his contributions, because I am a Lakers fan!

  • Jack

    Butler is definitely the answer for Kidd and Nash. Bring him. We don’t need Odom’s rebound after Drew comes back. Butler will help save Kobe’s pinky.

  • roscoe

    why the fck would the wiz trade caron for odom tho.

  • SliqRiq

    Sorry no such deal should happen, Caron is gifted but when it comes down to it Lamar steps his game up Big time in the playoffs just check the numbers. We as laker fans have seen it and Miami saw it as well when he was there.

  • SILO

    Caron is more than welcome to come back to the purple and gold.
    If he comes back your number 1 jersey will be here for him.

  • Phant0M

    Don’t be so conceited.
    We haven’t even won a playoff game w. this team yet.

    Yes I know our playoff chances are high with this lineup

    And i have a lot of faith of us going to win
    but we haven’t done anything.. YET.

    If we do this trade, Only way i see this being BAD
    for us is if caron gets hit w. a long term injury.

    I mean Caron Butler for Lamar Odom.

    The hypocrites on this site would do this in aheartbeat given a few weeks ago. Now we see Lamar thriving for a few season games, We turn on it…

    This isn’t a make me or break me trade.
    But its defintely something to consider

  • megaloco10

    nop lamar stays for me…

  • Jason

    And just what exactly would motivate the Wizards to complete this trade?

  • Tim-4-Show

    I don’t know why the Wizzards would do this deal. And that isn’t something I addressed in the article. Odom is due a pay decrease, so it could reduce Washington’s pay scale, especially considering that they will be offering Agent 0 a pay increase.

    The other thing is that this would need to be two players for two players. The second player would be an upgrade for them… they could send away their most over-rated role player (whoever that is because I wouldn’t know).

    Yes Lamar makes more than Caron. There’s no fear of loss with Caron either since he’s contracted for several more years, but with Lamar, they may get salary reprieve since Lamar’s contract is expiring.

    Yes, makes little sense from the Wizzard’s view, but it’s not totally out of line depending on who the second players in the deal would be.

    Now as far as Fish… I admitted this, I cannot compare the two. But the feeling I get in watching these guys is very similar… it hurts to see Caron wearing a Wizzards uni… I only brought up Fish to compare the feeling. I know Fish has way more history with us that Caron (probably) ever will (unless this trade happens somehow).

    Here’s another thing to consider:
    The Wizzards have played better with a healthy Butler than with a healthy Agent 0 and Butler. Perhaps, just perhaps, they’re thinking there’s not enough basketballs to go around. Lamar does not have this problem.

    ??? I don’t know, but it’s good to think about I suppose.

  • Phant0M

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    Then why have we been knocked out two consecutive times
    in the 1st rd?

  • http://lakers.com k0be da 1 andonly

    SO you guys THink getting Caron For Lamar will PUT us over the top for Championship Contention>>>

  • lakersisbomb

    to be honest those double digit rebounds lamar gives us are mostly only defensive and you can give those to bynum or gasol

  • LakersOnFire

    i think bynum will pick up the rebounding slack if we get caron. its true that lamar never really asserts his advantage over the smaller opposition in matchups as we all hope for him to do. its also tru that he doesn’t seem to have the hunger or mental tenacity when it comes down to it.

    while its certainly possible for us to win a championship with lamar, i think he’ll always remain a loose end in a way. however, he did step it up in the playoffs last year if i remember correctly.

    now if kobe wasn’t hurt, i would just keep lamar to preserve team chemistry, but i think the laker management thinks kobe will need to have the surgery within the next week or so and are considering picking up another offensive threat to keep us afloat in the meantime. im liking this trade more as i think about it. lamar has had his chance to shine the past couple years and we can’t keep waiting on him.

    i think caron will fit in well. he’s a talented guy and would be able to pick up the triangle again. i really liked him when he played for us and i still feel like he’s a laker when i see him play for the wizards too.

    only a couple days left to the trade deadline. should be exciting!

  • Tim-4-Show

    The fact that Lakers fans would actually say “no! don’t trade Lamar” shows that there’s some merit here.

    It’s not like Lamar is a total failure, he’s got real talent and it would work well with agent 0.

    For us, it comes down to this… Kobe could get his finger surgery.

  • magicbalala245

    no this happen sorry to bring down people buts the odds are gainst us look at this wiz have to give up 3 for lamar no way it aint gonna happen
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617~1705~1721~3020&teams=27~13~13~13&te=&cash=

  • SILO

    And i still have my old Caron Butler jersey too.lol

  • Tim-4-Show

    magic,

    It’s not Lamar for Caron straight up… it would be Lamar + Luke, Vlad, or even (gulp) Ariza for Caron and at least one other player (probably one of their flunkees)

    So it’s not a 1 for 3 trade, it’s a 2 for 2 (or 3) trade.

  • SILO
  • Phant0M

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    yeahhhh ! LOL..

  • leo

    wizards will never trade their second best player(not to mention hardest working) and a scrub for lamar and parts…this is not even rumored anywhere why are u makn this sh!t up…it would be an upgrade for us but lamar is important to our success too…

  • Tim-4-Show

    Yeah, we’d be stuck with Etan Thomas, but wouldn’t that be a small price to pay?

    They get out from under Etan Thomas, Lamar’s salary gets renegotiated down from 14.1 next year to around 7 or 8.

    I don’t know, there might be some merit there for the Wizards.

  • http://www.lakersvsceltics.com LakersVSCeltics

    Aren’t we getting Ariza back any time soon . . he’s 21 and I truly believe he can be a caron butler type of player . . . I can’t beleive everyone is forgetting about him already . . . I rather start Trevor at the 3 and have Lamar come off the bench with the mob!

  • Tim-4-Show

    I didn’t make it up, it was reported and we’re just discussing it.

    I don’t think anyone has their hopes up for it… but if it went down.. WOW

  • SILO

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    We would be but i always liked Etan. Big body and throws his weight around in the paint. Hes a good inside presence off the bench, dunks the ball, blocks shots and decent rebounder. but hey . . .

    If hes better than kwame, give him a try.

  • Tim-4-Show

    Well, I’m on record as loving this rumor. But I think it’s just rumor and I do not have my hopes up for it. If it ever got done, then I will worship Mitch Kupchak….

    It’s nice to talk though. We only have four more days of “speculation”

  • Phant0M

    I wouldn’t be angry at all if we didn’t do this..

    If we did, its obviously a steal on our part.
    But is it all for the better??
    We will have to see

  • DCLAKER

    I live in Wash.,DC and I know for a fact that Caron Butler Is still considered a Laker,not just us Laker Fans but Wizards Fans also. I forgot about CB in the “only player I would trade LO for” debate but the only thing he lacks is size if they put him with AB/PG but he rebounds like a guy LO’s size anyway plus can facilitate,take you of the dribble and lets’ not for get he was Kobe’s work-out partner before he departed for DC and became a 2-time All-Star. If this trade went down I would miss LO A LOT because of what he went through,it’s a miracle he’s still playing and the fact he said he wanted to retire a Laker instantly makes him a Laker 4 life but this is a,unfortunate business and player don’t always get what they want so getting CB would balance out real good plus he scores more than LO and take over a game when he needs AND HE KNOWS HOW TO BEAT BOSTON(HE GETS QUADRUPLE PROPS FOR THAT). If Mitch pulls this trade(plus I heard they’ll throw in Luke also)off he will be GOD-LIKE IN LA FOREVER!!!

  • Phant0M

    LOL look at this quote i found on the yahoo website

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Caron-Butler-returning-to-Lakers-?urn=nba%2C67283&cp=2#comments

    “The wizards will not trade Caron for Odom strait up. I think they need to bring in a third team, with some players that want to be traded. How about Minnesota? Try this trade on for size:

    Lakers get Caron Butler and Sebastian Telfair
    Wizards get Lamar Odom and Garald Green
    T-Wolves get Darius Songaila and a 2nd rounder

    This works for everyone. Lakers get an All-Star. The wizard get good talent back. And Green and Telfair have been wanting a trade. So that works for everyone.”

  • sepehr

    Why is this rumor even coming up??? Caron is an All-Star and works great for the wizards, where as Lamar is more of a role player and a great one at that. Wizards would never make this trade, especially since Arenas will probably opt out and might not sign with the wizardsa again.

  • Tim-4-Show

    DC,

    Good to hear your comments. I knew I couldn’t be the only one who still saw Caron wearing Purple & Gold on the inside.

    I’m pretty sure it’s just heresay and there’s no teeth to the rumor, but I agree, pull it off and Kupchak is “god-like”

    Hey, I love Lamar. I’m happy with him when we have two or three scoring options. He can stay, but if Mitch ever had a chance at CB (and I doubt it) then that’s the way it would have to be.

  • ab4sure

    A few thoughts… first “pat riley executive of the year”??? miami was desperate to unload the Big Guy while the suns were desperate for a Big Guy. Marion was on his way out anyway. Also, this would not be a 2 for 2 trade but a 1 for 2 trade. LO is at 13 mill Caron at 8 mill so about another 5 million contract needs to come back from the wizards.

    OK why would the wizards do it??? First, LO would fit better with Arenas becuase he likes to pass first. 2nd, the wizards need rebounding help and LO can avg. 10 bds a game. 3rd, Arenas and Butler don’t coexist real well and since Arenas is the one they really mkt. they will want to move the less marketable. 4th, the wizards can get rid of a bad contract like an aging pt guard in Daniels who has threes years left. 5th, they have a guy named Mason who is good and getting more playing time and they will want to groom him as Arenas back-up. 6th, this will give them better cap flexibility.

    There are probably other reasons so please add your own…lol

  • http://e4wd@yahoo.com xtro

    Nooooo! Keep Lamar. Get Artest.

  • Phant0M

    Yes i like artest more then lamar, defensivley

    but if we were to get artest
    id do it next season not now.

  • Tim-4-Show

    ab4sure,

    That was solid!

    I wish we could fax that into Mitch.

    Hey, I say Riley as exec of the year because he was like a guy with a huge block of concrete tied to his legs as he was thrown overboard. He was DEAD. There was no way he was getting out of that contract, and then, like a miracle, he DID! Now I’m hearing he may just let Marion’s contract expire… to Riley, he would have traded Shaq for nothing if the league let him.. the contract was THAT bad.

    The thing with Artest, who could we trade? If you say Lamar, the salary difference is even more than with Caron. Plus, the Maloofs HATE us so much that they’ll kill their own franchise before they help us out.

    If we get Artest, it’s because we signed him for the MLE in the offseason… and if we sign anyone in the offseason, that salary counts double because we’re in luxury tax land…. but it’s not our money, it’s Dr. Buss’ money.

  • lakrfan4life

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    get artest?
    how will that line-up be?:

    kobe, lamar, artest, pao, bynum?

    poor fish

  • http://getgarnett.com jonasjulienjoseph

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO, THIS TRADE IS NOT HAPPENING, LISEN GUYS JUST BEACOUSE CARON GOT CHEMISTRY DONT MEAN HE GOT CHEMISTRY WITH THE TEAM, OUR TEAM IS FINE, AND WE HAVE A GREAT PERIMITER DEFENDER IN ARIZA, LAMAR AVERAGES 13 POINTS 10 REBOUNDS AND 4 ASSIST A GAME, THATS A NICE ALL AROUND GAME FOR A 3RD/4TH OPTION, SOMETIMES CHEMISTRY BEATS TALENT LOOK AT THE KNICKS, ALL THAT TALENT THEY HAVE BUT NO CHEMISTRY BEACOUSE THEY TRADE ALL THERE PLAYERS EVERY SEASON FOR OTHER PLAYERS WHO DONT NO EACHOTHER, NOW WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM, IMAGINE IF WE HAD EVERY SINGLE PLAYER PLAYING RIGHT NOW AND NOT INJURED LOL WERE FINE AND RUMORS ARE RUMORS NOW IF I ACUTALLY HEARD FROM A ESPN SOUCE LIKE MARK STEIN WHO KNOWS WHAT HE’S TALKIN ABOUT THEN I’LL CONSIDER BUT THIS CAT WHO MADE UP THE RUMOR MADE OTHER REDICULUS RUMORS………….C-ANDREW/MIHM(IF HEALTHY)/MBENGA
    PF- GASOL/RONNY SF- ODOM/VLADIMIR OR TREVER(DEPENDING ON THE MATCHUP)/LUKE WALTON(IF HE COULD EVER STAY HEALTHY) SG- KOBE/SASHA/COBY PG- DEREK/FARMAR
    THAT IS THE TOP 3 BEST ROSTER IN THE LEUAGE……….WOULD YOU REALLY WANNA MESS THAT UP JUST FOR ANOTHER SCORER WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY AND NEED TO WORK ON OUR DEFENSE…….THINK ABOUT IT

  • DCLAKER

    TRUST ME LAKERNATION WHEN I SAY ‘IF’ THIS TRADE GOES DOWN,PHANTOM WILL PROBABLY GET GM OF THE YEAR ‘CAUSE THAT TRADE DOES WORK PLUS I’VE BEEN WANTING TELFAIR WITH THE LAKER SINCE HIS DOCUMENTARY,HE HAS SHOWTIME WRITTEN ALL ON HIM. I do think CB would be a better defender than LO,like I said before the only thing Lakers giving up is size,other than that Lakers are getting the same type of player,a facilitater and the perfect compliment to Kobe’s game(there’s your Scottie Pippen,just shorter).I seen this guy to many times whether at the game LIVE or TV,HE ONLY TAKES OVER WHEN HE HAS TO,NOT A BALLHOG AT ALL,HE JUST HAD TO REALLY STEP UP MORE AND CONTROL THE BALL BECAUSE OF ARENAS’S INJURY. LO would fit better with the WIZ because they need a facilitater LIKE RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE TOOOOOO MANY OF THOSE WITH THE LAKERS,LAKERS NEED ANOTHER 17 TO 25 POINT SHOOTER SO TEAMS WILL REALLY BE SCARED TO PLAY US. MITCHGETCARONBACK.com IN FULL EFFECT!!! I like Nick Young too so if they don’t trade straight up and Minny doesn’t wanna trade throw in Luke or Sasha(but I like Sasha,maybe some money).

  • lakerfan81

    I don’t think there is any merit to this rumor at all. I just don’t it won’t happen. I don’t think there is or has been any talk between the two teams. This is just someone making a story. He probably heard some NBA exec say something about it being a good trade and so he went with it.

    Also I am not sold on it being a good idea. I like Butler he is a great player (better than LO) but I just don’t see him enjoy being the 4th best player, though I could be wrong.

  • http://getgarnett.com jonasjulienjoseph

    O AND ONE LAST THOUGHT CARON HAS BEEN MISSING PACIFIC TIME FOR HIS WIZARDS BEACOUSE OF INJURIES, IF WE TRADED HIM FOR LAMAR, AND KOBE TAKES SURGURY, AND CARON MISSES MORE TIME OR HAS A SEASON END INJURY WHAT WILL YOU GUYS SAY…….O MITCH KUPCAKE IS STUPID AND JUNK LIKE THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO PUT PRESSURE ON GASOL WHICH IS NEVER GOOD……..THINK ABOUT THAT INSTEAD OF US LAKERS FANS LIVING IN FANTASY LAND AND THINKING WE COULD TRADE COBY KARL AND MBENGA FOR LEBRON JAMES……..PLEASE

  • Sopi

    stupid
    who said lakers can go for title only this year?
    with this line up, i would say lakers for title every single year!
    spurs is getting old, mavs got rid off their best young pg
    suns nash is old too, plus that fuel-less diseal, what can they do?
    lakers young team is the future in NBA
    who said only this year can go for title?
    stupid article

  • pjt

    Do a three way and let Caron go to Sac, Odom to Washington and Artest to the Lakers…Sac would have to throw in some other players for cap reasons…

    PG Fisher SG Kobe SF Artest PF Gasol C Bynum…..bling bling…

  • Tim-4-Show

    fantasy? yes.

    Intriguing and worth discussion with only 3.5 days left before the trade deadline… absolutely.

    Caron does not NEED to be a star. That’s the same as LO.

    Caron’s “injuries” aren’t threatening the rest of the season.

    If Kobe could get back in a week or two, he’d already have done it. Hypothetically speaking, if Caron were on the Lakers, Kobe could afford to get the surgery now, and even if Caron missed a few games here or there, he could hold it down fairly well given his supporting cast (Gasol, Fish, Farmar, Turiaf).

    Yeah, it’s a pipedream.

    We love Lamar. We love Caron too.

    It’s like the universe is out of balance when I see Butler wearing that Wizard’s jersey.

  • Berger

    All of you Odom haters are just greedy, underappreciative bitches. This guy plays hard, he played the end of last season with a torn up shoulder to try and give you guys, so called laker a fans a title. He is 6’10 and dribbles like he is 6’3. He is a constant triple double threat and he gels perfectly with our team. He CAN CAN CAN gaurd any small forward in the nba and his length does make him a tough match up at small forward on offense and on defense. KEEP LAMAR!! He plays hard for us, he is very talented, and he loves this city. All of you haters owe Lamar an apology, especially the doosh bag who wrote this article.

  • Phant0M

    We’re just speculating.

  • gugy

    Can we still make a trade this season?

    I thought the deadline was Sunday.

  • Phant0M

    22nd

  • pjt

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    I agree with you I would keep Odom over Butler…but I would ship out Odom for Artest….

  • DCLAKER

    I still say CB would be perfect,yes LO is beast but on the boards ONLY,Caron is an absolute MONSTA ALL AROUND,AGAIN I’M FROM DC SO I KNOW FIRST HAND AS WELL AS MANY LAKERS FANS AROUND THE WORLD. Remember when CB was here and he struggled on defense until they started running the ‘infamous triangle’ and he FLOURISHED(READ FULL ARTICLE,I DIDN’T NEED TO BUT I DID)and was killer on offense and defense,scoring at least 19 in those last 2 to 3 months he was here. Just imagine if CB hadn’t been traded,WHOA. I’m hearing disrespectful comments about Caron B’s game,GO TO YOUTUBE or watch The Wizards play on NBATV whenever you get a chance.I like the fact that some people still feel like Caron never went away so if the trade did go down it would be BUSINESS FOR THE FO AND PLEASURE FOR US LAKER FANS BECAUSE IN THIS CASE,SEEINGS THOUGH KOBE’S FINGER IS A PROBLEM THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND LOOKING AT IT FROM A BUSINESS SIDE IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD,LO CAN’T SCORE 24 TO 30 A NIGHT, CB CAN AND THAT’S WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO,WHO’S GONNA TAKE THE WEIGHT IF KOBE’S HAS SURGERY?!?

  • ab4sure

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    Lamar can’t guard SF’s. He can tackle players like Ray Allen. I am sorry Lamar you are SODUMB.

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  • http://www.thelakersnation.com Fred A.
  • Berger

    We have the perfect players for every role–Bynum 15+ points 12+ rebounds 3 blocks. We get 20 points from gasol plus 9 boards and 3-5 assists, we get 30 points from mamba plus lots of steals and 5-10 assits on any given night. fish knocks down the open three consistantly and gets steals. So what are we missing as our fith player? Someone who can do everything, someone who can get triple doubles, 10 points 10 rebounds 10 assists a couple of steals a couple of blocks, and can run the fast break. LAMAR is that man. He is the perfect player for what our team needs not Caron and not Artest

  • pjt
  • ab4sure

    LAMAR ODOM PLAYS NO DEFENSE. HE IS A PICK-UP GAME BASKETBALL PLAYER. A VERY GOOD ONE AT THAT.

  • Tim-4-Show

    No one here is disrespecting Lamar. Not even “the guy” who wrote the article (ha ha ha).

    Dude, I love Lamar. Read what I said.

    The front office will have a tough choice with him in the next 12 months.

    Watching Caron on the Wiz is like seeing Fish on Utah. Yeah, it was even MORE so with Fish (a lot) but every time I see Caron, that’s OUR GUY OUT THERE!

    I’m happy with Lamar if he stays. If he goes, it better be for someone like Caron. That’s not a dis.

  • Berger

    You all know that defensive rebounding is part of defense right?

  • Berger

    [Comment ID #26553 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Ya, Lets trade farmar, the best ssophmore pg in the nba, who is goin to run the lake show with bynum after kobe is gone. Good thinking

  • pjt

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    Farmar for Artets enstein….I like Farmar’s talent…but never forget Phil like tall gaurds in his offense and right now we have two short gaurds…

  • True Lakers Fan

    no way this will happen

  • Berger

    a) farmar is a big guard b)he is like 10 years younger than artest, and c) I guarantee you he will be running our offense next year. Like I said and so did the TNT analysts, Farmar is the best sophmore PG in the NBA.

  • http://getgarnett.com jonasjulienjoseph

    I’M JUST MAD ITS LIKE THATS WHY I DONT DO AS MUCH COMMENTS ANY MORE BECUZ, CUZ IM A DIE HARD LAKER FAN AND IM ONLY 13 TURNING 14, I FIRST STARED WHATCHING THE LAKERS BECUZ OF MY BROTHER AND WITHOUT A FATHER FIGURE BACK THEN I WANTED TO BE JUST LIKE HIM, SO I WHATCH THE LAKERS AND THOUGHT THERE WERE COOL CUZ I LIKE THER JERSY DA PURPLE AND GOLD WAS A GREAT COMBINATION LIKE RED AND BLACK, SO I STARTED WHATCHING THEM, TILL I WAS ABOUT 11 IS WHEN I REALLY REALIZED THE LEGACY THEASE GUYS HAD, AND SCINCE THEN IVE BEEN THE MOST DEDICATED LAKER FAN I CAN BE, TRULEY IF IT WASENT FOR THE LAKERS I PROBLY WOULDENT BE A NBA FAN, CUZ BACK THEN ALL I DID WAS WHATCHED LAKER GAMES AND THATS IT, NOW I WHATCH EVERY NBA GAME, WELL AT LEATSE ENTERNAING ONES LOL BUT I’M A SERIOUS FAN AND I DONT LIKE WHEN FANS BASH ON THERE PLAYERS BEACOUSE THEY HAD A COUPLE OF BAD GAMES, AS U DID WITH LUKE WALTON RECENTLY AND LAMAR ODOM, WHEN CHRIS MIHM WAS REPORTED THAT HE HAD TO GET SURGARY WE SAID JUST SHIP HIS A-SS OUT INSTEAD OF MAN GET WELL AND COME BACK HEALTHY WEARING THAT GOLD AND PURPLE, WHEN KOBE SAID SHIP BYNUM OUT, U GUYS SAID SHIP ANDREW OUT TO, THATS BEING A KOBE FAN NOT A LAKERS FAN, BEACOUSE LAKER FANS WOULD HAVE SUPORTED MITCH IN HIS TIME WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD JUST FELL ON HIM IN ONEDAY, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD SHOW RESPECT, NOW I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES GETTING MADD AT OUR PLAYERS OR SOMETIMES WANTING TO TRADE A PLAYER, BUT DISMANTLING A PLAYER THAT YOU COULDENT EVEN SCORE ON, LIKE KWAME HES BEEN TROUGH ALOT, LAMAR HAS DEFFENLY BEEN THROUGH ALOT MOTHER DIED, GRANMOTHER DIES, TRADE TALKS, SON DIES,IF I WAS HIM I WOULD’VE RETIRED BUT HE LOVE THE LAKERS SO MUCH THAT HE WANTS TO STAY ONE 4 LIFE AND THATS SHOW TRUE COMMINTMENT….ALL I’M SAYING WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM DONT RUIN THAT OVER A COUPLE OH IF WE COULD GET HIM OR I WISH WE COULD GET HIM, JUST FOCUS ON THE SENCOND HALF OF THE SEASON…PEACE DATS JUS MY OPPINION

  • pjt

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    Artest is 28 farmar is 21 = that would be 7 years

    Farmar is 6’2, when we were winning our championships with Phil’s offense we had 6’6 Ron Harper at the point for most of the time, like PJ prefers….

    And you sound like the Lakers of the past seasons…when they were talking about years in the future in regard to talent….the team has already said now since Kobe has come out griping … they want to win now…this is about right now…not 10 years from now…get over that….

  • Phant0M

    Wtf Farmar for artest.

    NOOO

  • Berger

    JONAS—very well said, I couldnt agree with you more. That game when kwame got booed at home by our own fans discusted me. What kind of fan boo’s their own player. Do you think booing him is gonna make him play or feel better? Laker fans gotta support our players and be positive no matter what kind of shooting slump they are in.

  • Berger

    PJT—Maybe you want to win now and not in ten yeears but I want to win now and in ten years and every year in between.

  • http://getgarnett.com jonasjulienjoseph

    AND THA NBA MADE ME WANT TO BE LIKE MJ N KOBE SO THATS WHY IMA ATHLETE, NUMBER 33 ON MY JEROME D MACK MIDDLE SCHOOL JERSEY 21.4 POINTS AND 11.6 REBOUNDS WITH 2 ASSIST PER GAME IMA KILLIN THEM OUT THERE

  • pjt

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    got to look at it this way pal…Artest is another perfect Triangle player like Gasol…and Farmar is not…sure Farmar is great of the bench and is a proven talent…but Phil has said it before he would like to coach Artest and knows that the role Artest could fill in our offense/defense would be perfect….I would never 2nd guess Phil…would you? This has been a problem I think with Mich and Buss until the Gasol trade…they haven’t been listening to what Phil desires 100%….he wants tall guards, and certain players for his system…and he wants good role players.

  • Phant0M

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    PREACCH TO THAT GOOD Sir.

  • DCLAKER

    First of all,HELL NO TO THE FARMAR TRADE,I don’t care what Phil Jackson likes as far as tall SF’s,the Scottie Pippen era was OVER when MJ retired(from the Bulls Not The Wizards).Even Phil knows what he has in Jordan(Farmar).LO can be an All-Star but doesn’t play the way he should be. With his size he should play the way he played in Miami(21 ppg and still getting triple double damn near every game)and when he plays Phoenix(especially in last years playoffs,WOW)but his scoring is a question and now that Kobe may have surgery he will be pushed to score more forget facilitating JUST SCORE but he won’t. I remember what Stephen A. said about him,LO is too passive as a player and when your playing alongside Kobe or just being a Laker your PLAY,PRIDE AND POTENTIAL MUST ELEVATE and THE LO RIGHT NOW AS WE KNOW HIM IS DOING JUST ENOUGH. I don’t want y’all to think I don’t want LO as a Laker BUT THE POSSIBILTY OF KOBE BEING OUT FOR PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE OF SURGERY AND KNOWING LO WON’T GIVE THE LAKERS THAT EXTRA PUSH THEY NEED TO STILL BE CONSIDERED CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS,YOU HAVE TO,AT LEAST FOR BUSINESS SAKES CHECK EVERY POSSIBLE ANGLE AND IF IT’S FOR THEM RINGS,BABY,I’M ALL FOR IT. I know for a FACT that many of you would do this trade in a heartbeat. CARON,WELCOME BACK…….MAYBE.

  • Tim-4-Show

    I don’t see Farmar being traded. Fish won’t last forever & would Artest give us the ability to get Kobe’s surgery?

  • pjt

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    being a Laker fan of course I do too…but I highly doubt Farmar is a key element in regard to that….I’m thinking about dynasty….and I think:

    PG: Fisher SG: Bryant SF: Artest PF: Gasol C: Bynum = the making of a dynasty…I just wanted to add that the Ariza trade was a perfect triangle player signing as well…We still may be on our way to bling city but I guess I’m thinking like a GM, how can we always improve what we have…but I’m happy as of right now with what we got, Odom included….

  • SliqRiq

    Hey Phantom,

    We didnt even make the playoffs when we had Caron remember or do you…… At least with Odom we did and it wasnt his fault that we lost both times to Phoenix I recall him shutting down Marion and hurting Phoenix both series we had with them and not to mention the torn rotator he was playing with. REMEMBER!!!!!

    Odom stays he’s our fill in the blanks guy and he does a great job at it

  • Hugo Boss

    If this is just a rumor, why is so much attention being paid to it? If this was spoken by the Lakers or Wizards, then I understand.

    Colorado loves the Lakers!

  • DCLAKER

    I VETO THAT ARTEST TRADE.GET CARON,HE CAN TAKE A GAME OVER JUST LIKE KOBE( THEY USED TO TRAIN TOGETHER BEFORE CB GOT TRADED)FACILITATE LIKE LO AND DEFENSIVELY AGGRESSIVE LIKE ARTEST,ONCE AGAIN,I LIVE IN DC SO I SEE CARON B. PLAY ON DAILY BASIS. THERE ONLY 2 PLAYER I WOULD TRADE LO FOR AND THAT IS S.MARION OR CARON B.,PERIOD.I LIKE ARTEST BUT HE CAN’T SCORE 21 A GAME AND WHEN AB GETS BACK THEY SOMEONE THAT CAN SCORE AND TAKE A GAME IF KOBE GETS SURGERY, IF HE DOESN’T DISREGARD ALL PROPOSALS FOR A TRADE.

  • Phant0M

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    I Blame that on the coach I said, if kobe does surgery

    This starts to look like a good trade not just for playoff time
    and for upcoming seasons

    but for RIGHT NOW too

  • Tim-4-Show

    Hugo,

    Do you have an old Caron jersey?

    I know it’s rumor, and it’s NOT going to happen… but it was fun discussing.

  • unstoppable589

    so ive been going to this site a lot and most of the time the information is inciteful… but i had to make an account after seeing the foolishness of a lot of these posts.. first of all if a trade like this would go thru.. do u guys really believe caron would go from all star to a 4th fiddle?look at all the championship teams since the bulls and sure they had a few stars but role players are needed just as much because they dont demand the ball.. and do u really think the wiz would give up an allstar whom is signed at 9 mill a year for four years for odom who can leave after just next year? i mean look at this as a nba fan and not a laker fan and its easy to see this wil never happen

  • ab4sure

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    Well said, YOur wise beyond your years.

  • DCLAKER

    Phantom,ask sliqriq does he remember Rudy T.,the coach before Phil and as for LO and him helping us get to the playoffs,IT WAS ALL KOBE WILLING HIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS BOTH OF THOSE YEARS.Had LO played to his FULL POTENTIAL THE LAKERS WOULD’VE AT LEAST BEEN IN SEMIFINALS IN ’06 AND IN THE FINALS IN ’07 BUT IT DIDN’T HAPPEN,THEY FIRST ROUND BOTH TIMES WHICH IS WHY KOBE HAD A TANTREM LAST OFF-SEASON(AND RIGHTFULLY SO,IT’S JUST THE WAY HE WENT ABOUT IT). ONLY IF KOBE GETS SURGERY THEN MAKE THIS TRADE NOW,IF NOT THEN KOBE COULD BE HURTING HISSELF AND THE TEAM WAY BEYOND THE OFF-SEASON IF YOU LET HIS DOCTOR’S TELL IT,SERIOUS!!!!

  • Tim-4-Show

    DCLaker,

    You are a voice of reason. Kobe’s finger is a serious threat.

    He “can” play at a high level with it, just look at what he did to Miami and Minny. But, just because he can play (without bracing it), Gary Vitti is convinced this is a big problem (not having it braced).

    When braced, Kobe is not the same, look at NJ-Atl games when he had it on.

    I like our team, when healthy.

    But we’re not healthy. As good as we are, we cannot afford a Kobe surgery unless a huge blockbuster like the Butler rumor were to be pulled off.

  • gugy

    I like LO lately, but CB has show that he is an all star, so maybe this trade makes sense for the Lakers.
    Plus a team with 4 all stars, because Bynum will be one next season, will be a champion for many years to come.
    So I would say. Fisher, KB, CB, Pau and Bynum.
    Do it!

  • Berger

    I say keep Odom, but this starting to get pointless. Why in the hell would washington trade away caron anyway??

  • unstoppable589

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    haha thats exactly what im saying.. regardless of whatever any laker fans say this makes abosolutely no sense whatsoever for washington

  • Eddy

    Okay so i thought about this trade….tell me what you guys think:

    Lamar for Kapono and Nesterovic

    That would add another awesome, proven shooter [repeat 3 point contest winner] to our squad and add a small forward. Plus, come playoff time once Bynum, Ariza and Kobe (hopefully) are healthy, he will be a good player to dish the ball to when Bynum/Gasol/Kobe are double teamed. Plus, he has won a championship and knows what it takes.
    In terms of rebounding, once Bynum is healthy, he and Gasol will compensate for Odom, who doesnt get many rebounds anyway while playing the SF.
    In addition, Nesterovic is an expiring contract, thus we can resign turiaf and sasha in the offseason.

  • Eddy

    by the way, i thought of this trade because getting Butler is near to impossible. He’s an allstar with a strong work ethic. These rumors are bogus…what i tried to do is construct a fairly reasonable trade that could possibly happen and that worked out salary-wise. Also, it turns out to still be a good trade because its a West trading with an East, which always helps.

  • Berger

    KAPONO SUX AT BASKETALL!!!! He will always e great at the 3 pt contest but just like jj redick he will always suck in a real game

  • Eddy

    We won a championship with Miami….that’s already more than a lot of players, especially Redick…

  • Tim-4-Show

    There’s no need for Kapono right now. Yeah, he could knock down an open look (and he’d get plenty of them with KB, Socks, and Pau), but can he defend or do anything else besides canning the three?

    Not even 3 point legend Hodges was that valuable in PJ’s triangle.

    With The Machine, he actually works hard out there to defend and can dribble & pass when needed.

    I’m not that familiar with Kapono’s game, but if JJ Redick is the metaphor, I’m OUT. No way.

  • Eddy

    *he

  • iLakers

    LO for Caron…hell NO!

    I believe Kobe should have the surgery. At first I didn’t but now I do. I believe we have the parts to hold the fort down while KB24 is out…check it;

    PG: FISH/FARMAR
    SG: SASHA/FARMAR/ODOM
    SF: ODOM/VLAD/WALTON/ARIZA (when healthy)
    PF: VLAD/TURIAF/PAU/ODOM
    C: PAU/MBENGA/TURIAF/BYNUM (when healthy)

    This is why LO is vital to our system. He can play the 2,3 and 4 spots unlike Caron.

    We’ve seen the Lakers play without Kobe before and seen how Odom and the role players hold down the fort. Now we have Pau to chip in on the offense.

    I believe everyone will step it up if KB24 has surgery, like they all HAVE been stepping it up this season. I know our schedule will get even more difficult with a couple games against Dallas, but I believe we have enough firepower to stay in contention for the playoffs. Bottom line, I would like to have KB24 healthy in the playoffs not hurt.

    And when he comes back he will have the lineup and bench that can potentially win the championship.

  • LakersFirst

    I know people like Caron and are saying that if Kobe has his surgery that Caron would help hold the fort down, but people are forgetting that, Caron is injured right now (I don’t know the severity of his injury) and not playing.

    Trading LO for a player who is currently injured and not playing, sounds like the Lakers would be gearing up for next year.

  • Tim-4-Show

    I think he has a hip stinger. That’s not really a season ending injury. For all we know, he’ll be back this week for the Wiz.

    iLakers, I hope you’re right. I have a strong feeling that we’re going to see what our team is made of. I think Kobe will go in for surgery before the season is up, ONE way or the OTHER.

    Let’s just hope it’s on his terms and not because of something worse than what he’s suffering now.

  • http://getgarnett.com jonasjulienjoseph

    when Healthy

    C- ANDREW BYNUM/CHRIS MIHM/DJ MBENGA
    PF- PAU GASOL/VLADIMIR RADNAVICH/RONNY TURAIF
    SF- LAMAR ODOM/TREVER ARIZA/LUKE WALTON
    SG- KOBE BRYANT/SASHA VUJACIC/COBY KARL
    PG- DEREK FISHER/JORDAN FAMAR

    WERE STRONG AT EVERY POSITION

  • iLakers

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    Yeah i hope its not something worse.

    Thats why surgery makes sense now…

    I don’t care how much of a bada** you are, if you’re a shooter with an injury to your shooting hand its gonna affect you. Yeah its his pinkie but its also his strong hand and if KB24 is to be lethal in this L then his right has to be 100% healthy. I hate watching the MAMBA play injured, honestly he kinda makes bad decisions when he’s injured.

    I just know that if he has the surgery we’re gonna be battling for a place in the playoffs…its gonna be a tight race. But by then we should have our DREAM TEAM.

  • jay

    the only players that need to be traded are LUKE WALTON, CHRIS MIMH, COBY KARL. we are set with all other players. the lakers finally got some chemistry/friendship going for them. if we start weeding out players then the team will not be comfortable. LAMAR had a triple double. we have enough scorers on the team. if anything trade in the summer. Kobe wants to see what this team can do NOW. the offseason is the time to tweak up the team. how do people think trading farmar and odom is the right move. are they crazy, Farmar is the truth he just needs to take more jumpers(closer to the basket) he had 17/13 on the weekend allstar game. So just go with what we got or get rid of $30 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT THAT WALTON CARRIES WITH HIM. Another DEVEAN GEORGE (22 MIL FOR 4 YEARS) WHAT A WASTE.

  • roscoe

    i’d be down to trade luke but who cares if coby karl is on the team. you do realize that every team has players that don’t really play. he’s just a practice player on 450k / year…

    walton is overpaid by about 2 mil/ year.

  • ab4sure

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    OK why would the wizards do it??? First, LO would fit better with Arenas becuase he likes to pass first. 2nd, the wizards need rebounding help and LO can avg. 10 bds a game. 3rd, Arenas and Butler don’t coexist real well and since Arenas is the one they really mkt. they will want to move the less marketable. 4th, the wizards can get rid of a bad contract like an aging pt guard in Daniels who has threes years left. 5th, they have a guy named Mason who is good and getting more playing time and they will want to groom him as Arenas back-up. 6th, this will give them better cap flexibility.

    Here are six… do you need more?????

  • Tim-4-Show

    “We’ve got people coming back [from injury] and even without Gilbert, we are a competitive ball club,” he said. “We beat Boston back-to-back and Dallas a few days later. So I’m looking forward to getting all our pieces together again.”
    - Ernie Grunfield
    Wizard’s president.

    I wish, I wish, I wish…

  • AnthonY MusiQ

    Lamar, Lakers, Championship!!!

  • Tim-4-Show

    I was wrong, the RPG difference is only 3. I’ve included the stats for all three guys just for entertainment value.

    LO CB RA
    RPG 9.9 6.8 5.7
    APG 3.4 4.5 3.9
    SPG 0.8 2.4 2.2
    FG% .484 .476 .443
    3p% .262 .365 .351
    FT% .700 .913 .685

  • Shaq786

    guys, realize that lamar is STILL playing PF…. when he comes back… those numbers arent going to look so pretty, and either is our defense at SF position…

    his is something the lakers need to consider BIG TIME… we need defense… gasol fits in perfectly for odoms role in our offense, once bynum comes back…

    LAMAR, MIHM, 2 SECOND ROUND PICKS… for CB and B. HAYWOOD!!!

  • maccassedy
  • Phant0M

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    Please killurself. :)

    Kapono? Nesterovic…

    Mite as well trade gasol for Mike miller…

    Live and die on the 3..
    haha

  • raphaelr

    Isn’t Caron Butler injured, so wouldn’t this be kinda stupid?

  • Tim-4-Show

    maccassedy,
    Mihm has to consent to the trade. He holds very little value to anyone except perhaps speculation that he may one day return to his former self. Maybe someone would want him more than Luke?

    raphaelr,
    Butler has a bruise on his hip. It’s healing up, it’s just pain, it’s not an actual “injury” that really threatens him long term. As far as we know, he’ll lace em up for the Wiz this week.

  • MILO

    Regardless of anything stubborn ass Kobe needs surgery asap.I LOVE YOU KOBE BUT YOU NEED TO SIT YOU’RE ASS DOWN FOR THE SIX WEEKS…

  • Phant0M

    lol Look at this quote from a nugget fan from their forum said

    “wow, there linup is incredible, odom can go back to SF and they have farmar, radmanovic, vujacic, ariza. walton and turiaf on the bench. Not to mention 2 7 footers, the inside/outside combination. they have more talent than us, were done. Kobe wins 3 ships, compared to MJ, NBA history. Might as well dump everything and start over. It was destiny the celts make a move lakers had too. Lakers vs Celtics final. I hate this s**t.”

    LMFAOOOO. If kobe does surgery. were gonna be fiending for a 8th seed.
    I CAN ALREADY SEE IT.

  • gugy

    I think Kobe will get surgery. It’s a given is going to happen this week.
    I think we will be OK with Pau stepping up and the bench as well.

    Do it Kobe. It’s much better to take the risk now than he getting much worse by the playoffs.

  • kobe4mvp

    But then there may not be any play-offs!
    Get Caron Butler!

  • ab4sure

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    you need glasses…

  • RWHITE

    Trade Lamar. We have Pau and Bynum to get us rebounds. Caron can drain the three and he hass a good FG and FT %. GET CARON!

  • Carlos

    This is a very good take and well written. Trying to point out the good and bad sides of trading them is very intriguing. The one thing that I can defenitely say is that if such a trade does happen the Lakers will more than likely have to give up a 2nd player. Regardless of the money involved. What team, not name the Grizzlies, will trade an All Star for a Non-All Star? Also, as far as on the defensive end, we already have Ariza. So, the need of a permeter defender is not a good one. But then you get to Kobe’s injury which is the best argument as to why the Lakers should trade for Caron. I would trade Odom and Luke for Caron. We need an All Star player if Kobe does get the operation.

  • TA

    i am FOR kobe having surgery

    With PHIL at the helm, i believe our team will only get stronger as other players pick up the slack.

    Kobe comes back in 3-4 weeks(he is an ultimate healer) and we get to a 4-6 seed and then run the table in the playoffs!!

  • OdoM7

    Please no lol! I thought all the Lamar trade talk was gonna cool down for awhile… He is my favorite Laker in a long time, after everything he has been through it would break my heart to see him leave. After all the criticism he’s received as a laker, I want nothing more than to see him overcome and help raise the O’Brien trophy in purple and gold. He seems genuinely happy and proud to be wearing a Laker uniform and I really want him to stay put. I understand if people want a more natural small forward but hopefully Lamar will get a chance to step it up again come playoff time, like he has for the last 2 years.

  • JB714

    lakers should try to make this happen
    trade LO and luke at the same time
    caron is a great player and i actually have his jersey

    we should also try to get gerald green he is very underpreciated

  • unstoppable589

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    no team in there right mind would trade an allstar who makes bargain money at 9 mill a year for the next four years for a non allstar.. odom is the ultimate role player.. and besides jamison is much like odom.. a sf/pf hybrid so it wouldnt make sense for them to trade a true sf for a duplicate.. and please tell me how the lakers would work with 4 all star players? u know damn well people would start to complain

  • unstoppable589

    *start to complain if there was a lack of ball their way*

  • Fantastic5LAL

    not when your winning championships ^_^

  • Fantastic5LAL

    When 4 Allstars are on the same team they tend to do stuff like..win championships

  • e

    i like the idea of caron back here where he belongs

  • JB714

    KOBE SHOULD GET THE SURGEY NOW

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

    [Comment ID #26596 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Yea, but Caron has been in out of the Wizards line up for the past 2-3 weeks.

  • Phant0M
  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

    [Comment ID #26602 Will Be Quoted Here]

    I don’t know if Washington really needs the rebounding help like you say. They have Antawn Jamison averaging 20 and 10 this year (he’s their starting power forward). Grant it he is more expensive than LO, but his numbers are showing why. Furthermore, Jamison is in his last year in his contract, so that’s $19M off their books after this year. To replace Jamison with LO isn’t saving that much money. If the Wizards really wanted rebounding help, and if they think LO is a better rebounder than Jamison, then they would offer Jamison for LO and another Laker player (to make salaries match).

    I think Caron is a good player and his numbers have proven to be better than LO’s – I just don’t see Washington making this trade. Their entire staff praise Caron Butler and thank the Lakers for taking Kwame off their hands in exchange for Butler. I don’t see them giving him back.

  • ab4sure

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    First LO is not a SF. We have learned he can’t play SF here on the Lakers. 2nd, Butler is an allstar but that is in the east. Not in the west were he would be down the line. 3rd, if your an all star and a team player you can play with anyone.

  • http://frankthetank.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/kobe-bryant-bulls.jpg JoJo

    I’m from Chicago and I can tell you right now if your taking Sam Smith from the Tribune serious your gullable. Sam makes things up just to sell papers. Most of it is total BS. I won’t even read his articles anymore.

    Why would the Wizards trade their best player for Larmar Odom? LOL not only that they would have to give up somebody else just to make that happen. Lakers fans are so greedy. First your ripping off the Grizz and now you think you can rip off the Wiz? You’ll be out in the first round.

  • drake hunter

    No disrespect and all, but this has to be the WORST ARTICLE I’ve ever read. How can a player who played one season for us, (the season that we didn’t make the playoffs), be considered a Laker for life or even be compared to Derek Fisher’s status as a Laker. I can’t even remember what Caron Butler looked like in a Laker jersey and the season he played for us was a season to forget. Rudy Tomjanovich quitting mid-season, Chucky Atkins our starting PG, Lakers missing the playoffs, and Brian Grant! Caron Butler is a great player now but never did jack squat for us as a Laker!

    Derek Fisher…hmmm or Mr. 0.4 as we know him made clutch shot after clutch shot after clutch during our three peat championship run. He ripped up the spurs the year we swept them out of the playofffs in the 2nd round after whooping Portlands azz in the first and Sacramento in the conference finals! He’s been Mr. Reliable ever since Phil paired him with Kobe in the Lakers starting back court and this season is no different. How can this article even be written!

    Caron while putting up great numbers in Washington won’t be putting up those kinds of numbers in LA playing with Kobe. Getting him now because Kobe might go into surgery is just a band-aide trade that would probably work when Kobe’s out but not when Kobe’s in the game. Caron who plays SF is a SG. His game is like Kobe where they stay out on the wing and drive or shoot. We don’t need another player like that when we have Kobe.

    Lamar on the other hand can creat shots for himself or others and is a much better passer, rebounder, and dribbler and all those aspects make him perfect for the triangle. Who says Lamar has to shoot the open shot when the ball is passed out of the post. He can dribble to the basket for his own shot possibly getting double teamed where he can find an open teammate under the basket like Bynum or Gasol, kick it out to the shooters Fisher or Kobe, or keep it himself and take it strong to the hole and get fouled.

    If Kobe goes into surgery, plug Vujacic into the starting line-up and we should be ok. The way the machine is playing these days, he might go for a new career high every night. Overall, Lamar is perfect for this team and has proven to play very nicely next to Bynum and Gasol seperately. I don’t think there should be any issues when he has them both on the court at the same time. Lamar stays, no more trades, and no Caron Butler. Again this article although very opinionated, really makes no sense!

  • http://thelakersnation.com Tyler

    hey if they get this trade i know one thing our player wont be hurtin there knees and ankles on lamars foot anymore. am i right i am haha

    honestly though i would rather keep lamar

  • Phant0M

    [Comment ID #26638 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Please expand on

    The 1st rd, elimination part?

  • drake hunter

    Another reason why this trade won’t go down, it’s been rumored and talked about, like the rumor of Kirilenko for Odom trade I read about last week. It’s all readers digest. The ones that happen are the ones you don’t hear about until the deal is finalaized ala Gasol to the Lakers. No articles or rumors weeks or even days prior to that trade happening until it actually went down.

  • dcb2069

    I sort of like the Odom for Kirilenko trade. He’s a much better defending and seems to fill in the stats nicely. He also, minus the whining in Utah, seems like a glue guy. I’d really consider this one.

    In terms of trading for Caron, I think it would be great for Kobe-has-surgery insurance. But I’m not down for making a trade that looks good for six weeks, and then afterwards we wished we didn’t make it. I’m not saying Caron won’t be great on a healthy Laker team, I’m just saying he might not look as good as Lamar would. Again, I agree that we’d rather have him than Odom when Kobe is out healing, but I can’t say that when Kobe is healthy. In all honesty, a team with Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Bryant, and Fisher is a hell of a lot scarier than Bynum, Gason, Butler, Bryant, and Fisher (I probably didn’t need to type all that…). Point is, neither of them are “true” SF’s, but if anyone is closer to it it’s Lamar.

    With a healthy team, scoring hardly seems like a concern. And in the playoffs, a big guy always seems to be more valuable. Let’s not forget who made Marion his b*tch in the playoffs.

  • dcb2069

    And with Bynum, Gasol, and Odom, the only way a team is going to beat us in a seven game series is if they shoot like….75% from beyond the arc. With Odom, we’re guaranteed that they will hate going into the paint. The elite teams are the ones that are going to be able to throw the ball into the paint…Suns, Spurs, Pistons, Celtics, Mavs (sort of, with Dirk). They live and die by their big men, and having a trio like ours certainly puts the odds in our favor.

  • Phant0M

    How bout we say F**K the rules

    and
    Sign caron to a 6 week contract.

    Get lAMAR.

    and win the first of our 4 peat??

    HAHAH wishful thinkingggg.

  • dcb2069

    how about sign them both?

  • http://www.myspace.com/stevesspace TheEclectic

    Keep Lamar. He is fitting in nicely as a 3rd option. He just picked up his first triple double in a while. He isn’t necessarily scoring as much – but we don’t need him to. Plus the 10 or so points he is getting is at a much higher percentage – not to mention he’s rebounding and assisting a lot more. Caron might be a better player, but Lamar will give Western Conference teams fits when it comes to matching up.

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

    [Comment ID #26645 Will Be Quoted Here]

    He’s just bitter because the Chicago Bulls are terrible and probably won’t make the playoffs. I’m sure he is also pissed because the Lakers beat the crap out of Chicago twice.

    He is also like the rest of the league that knows the Lakers got a great player that makes the Lakers stronger in the short term and the long term. The rest of the league now fears the Lakers.

    I’m sure he’s also bitter because his Bulls couldn’t pry Kobe away from the Lakers and then to make matters worse, his Bulls couldn’t get Gasol from Memphis (instead he went to the Lakers – LOL).

    In conclusion, he’s just a bitter Bulls fan.

  • Phant0M

    JoJo’S A BULLS FAN.

    n hes talking crap..

    LMFOAOAOAOAAOOAOAOAOAOAOOAOAOA!

  • Jack Nicholas

    Jojo likes boys…

  • Lakers4Life

    No trade… This is it!

  • ab4sure

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    Washington doesn’t get a whole lot of rebounds from its center position with Haywood. And I wasn’t talking about saving money as much as cap flexibility for future signings, etc… Basically it gives them more options next yr. And who says they need to get rid of Jamison.. given his age they will probably resign him at a much lower price and LO and Jamison could play together. If not they could use money to resign their cash cow arenas and they would be further below the luxury tax to sign FA’s. BTW all GM’s build up their players and praise them. They don’t want to downgrade their assets.

    Actually there is probably only one reason needed for Washington to trade Butler somewhere. Butler and Arenas don’t play as well together as they would play apart.

    As far as Sam Smith is concerned he didn’t want the bulls to get kobe because the cost would have decimated the bulls. And don’t forget PJ considers him a friend and confidante. I wouldn’t be surprised if PJ talked to him about how LO would fit with the Lakers when Gasol and Bynum on the floor. LO can’t hit the outside shot so that lane will get very crowded and so i really think LO will have to go. If not now then this summer.

  • ab4sure

    drake hunter
    Feb 18th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
    No disrespect and all, but this has to be the WORST ARTICLE I’ve ever read. How can a player who played one season for us, (the season that we didn’t make the playoffs), be considered a Laker for life or

    Question.. How is calling someone’s article the “WORST ARTICLE I’VE EVER READ” not disrespecting him????

  • Rizal

    I really don’t think the Wizards will trade Caron to any team this season. I know that because I live in the DC area and the local sports broadcasters has confirmed that he’s here to stay. Arenas and Thomas should be returning soon. So they don’t want to mess with their personal come time for the playoffs. Caron is the reason they’re in the playoff hunt. He’s loved like Arenas and is very much active with the DC community.

    If they do trade him I wouldn’t object. At least that would buy Kobe some time to rest his injured finger while Caron puts up 20 something points every given night.

  • ab4sure

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    Well said, your using some common sense. You must understand the game.

  • 187 ON BOSTON

    BYE BYE LAME-AR AINT GONNA BE GETTING THAT CALI WEED OUT THERE

  • http://www.lakerfan24.com Jayvee

    [Comment ID #26686 Will Be Quoted Here]

    HMM you did not understand the point of the article.

  • Shaq786

    guys,… check this….since dallas got kidd, we know we need more defense at the SF….

    3-way….

    LA trades: lamar, walton, 2 secound round pick (and possibly coby karl)…FOR Artest, J. Navarro and Mike Miller

    SAC trades:artest, lorenzen wright, anthony johnson…FOR odom

    MEM: J. Navarro and Mike Miller….FOR walton, 2 S.R picks, L. wright, and a. johnson (and possibly coby karl)

    Our line up:

    d-fish/farmar/navarro
    kobe/sasha/navarro
    artest/mike/v.rad
    gasol/turiaf/v.rad
    bynum/mihm/mbenga

  • DCLAKER

    Lakernation,I know we all are tired of all the speculations of trades but let’s get one thing clear,KOBE NEEDS SURGERY and that’s a major issue. Caron B. would be Perfect because like I said in my last comment,this guy can do more on the offensive end than LO and that’s a big plus ’cause someone needs to hold down the scoring when Kobe’s out(6 weeks is long time in the NBA). I’m hearing some of y’all talk about CB like he can’t ball,how many times did LO go to the All-Star game or make first Team offense or Defense(or 2nd team for that matter),not saying he can’t but that’s the type of player THE LAKERS NEED RIGHT NOW. Think about this,if AB comes back will he be 100%,the same thing for Ariza(injuries linger even when playing,look at Luke)and these are 2 guys that got hurt by LO(accidental of course)and damn near everybody on this site BLASTED HIM and now he’s the darling of the Lakers now,give me a break. I KNOW FOR A FACT IF CB CAME BACK TODAY EVERYONE ON THIS SITE WOULD THINK THEY WAS IN THAT GARNETT COMMERCIAL”I GIVE MY ALL TO YOU” OR HOWEVER IT GOES.I’m pointing out a fact that many of you know if Kobe has surgery SOMEONE HAS GOT TO STEP UP BIGTIME AND I’M TALKIN”BOUT “I WANT THE BALL AT CRUNCH TIME MENTALITY” TYPE OF PLAYER,can LO give that type of production. Gasol is beast but Lakers need another general on that floor during those critical moments plus as far the business side LO might end up somewhere else next season anyway,Y’ALL HEARD WHAT D.WADE SAID DURING LAST SUNDAY’S GAME IN MIAMI(MARION’S 1ST GAME),”WE NEED SOMEBODY AT THE 4 SPOT(Wade starts laughing) and don’t forget Riley kissing up to’em,so they know the BUSINESS SIDE OF GETTING LO AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE,RILEY IS EX-LAKER COACH WITH MANY TIES.Like I said and I’ll say it again,I LIVE IN DC and have seen The WIZ do some stupid trades,this would be the smartest trade The WIZ have ever done since Webber and C.Webb and LO are the same type of player,FACILITATERS,LAKERS NEED SCORING(ESPECIALLY AT THE SF POSITION).I do feel this a rumor but hey,even sports writers get PAID FOR WRITING BS,WE TALK ABOUT IT FOR THE LOVE OF LAKERNATION!

  • rei24

    dnt trade lamar plz

  • Smush Walton

    If only we had traded Lame-R instead of Caron.
    What a HUGE mistake that was.