N.Y. POST: It was no surprise that flaky Ron Artest backtracked on his declaration in The Post that he really wants to finish his career in Sacramento. In fact, Thomas predicted the flip-flop when he said of the bizarre claim, “A lot of good players have been changing their minds lately,” referring to the Lakers’ Kobe Bryant.

Artest, one day after saying he probably won’t opt out next season, told the Sacramento Bee, “I mean I like it, but who knows? I’m not going to put myself in a position where I say, yeah, I want to stay here all the time. I trust my agent.”

Artest said he is flattered by the buzz in New York.

“All the people in New York want it, it’s been eight years (since I left St. John’s) and it’s always like, ‘When’s Ron coming back?’ That makes me feel good,” Artest told The Post.

Kings GM Geoff Petrie told Artest he won’t be traded, but Artest softened that statement.

“Geoff is an honest dude. He lets you know there’s a chance that things could happen, that I could be traded,” Artest said.

  • shortdiezel

    Radmonovic for Artest..Kwame for Artest… I’d even give up Luke Walton for Artest.. just do it!!!!

    He wants to be a Laker.. we need that intensity and defensive presence.. he is aggressive on both ends of the court

  • Justin M.

    Fisher
    Kobe
    Artest
    Odom
    Mihm

    That is a contender no ?’s asked. That lineup will play shut down D and score at least 100 a game. This way Kobe still gets all the spotlight and his 30 shots. This is the modern day Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman lineup.

  • RoeBoat

    Lets have a Do-Do Ball fight!!!!!!!!

  • KBisDarthVader

    dude is a nut job. that said, i’ld welcome him to LA, IF we could make the trade happen. but it wont…

    the maloofs wont help the lakers unless they really get something they want. all we really have to offer is kwame’s contract, and kwame’s contract is the only hope we have of landing a player like JO (or KG…but i’ve lost hope given that McHale still has a job in minny).

    if everything else false through, artest would be a good plan c i suppose, but if we loose kwames expriring contract we wont have the space to make kg a reasonable offer if/when he opts out after this season. i just dont think that artest puts us into the top 3 in the west….

  • Rpoc

    Ron Ron!! He’s one crazy mofo.

  • Rpoc

    [quote comment="7203"]Radmonovic for Artest..Kwame for Artest… I’d even give up Luke Walton for Artest.. just do it!!!!

    He wants to be a Laker.. we need that intensity and defensive presence.. he is aggressive on both ends of the court[/quote]
    Think about it from the Queens side. Why would they want those guys?

  • Adam

    The key to the deal for Artest or even JO is Kwame but its hard cause kwame is of course the 1st high school kid drafted number one and the biggest bust at number one so with that said its hard to pitch the idea to teams that kwame can help or is indeed a good player for them.

    or we could propose a 3 team deal that would and turiaf, and Vlad to sac-town, and kwame and lamar to indiana for artest and JO but couold this happen not likely but it could happen cause each team gets a missing puzzle to their franchise hopes of contending with the big bad west.
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~617~1016~2789~25~615&teams=11~11~23~23~13~13

  • http://www.youtube.com/darkice18 darkice18
  • Rpoc

    Stop spamming that ish!

  • lakerfan81

    I thought I would copy this here because it is very well written and informative. The person who wrote this consistently writes brilliant blogs and analysis. I think everyone should read it. It does have to do with Artest but I’m going to put it here anyways.

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    5. Fisher is not quite as mediocre as Kurt makes him out to be. I agree that he alone does nothing to help us overtake the elite western teams. I also agree that he has his limitations defensively (I can still hear myself screaming at the TV for Phil to switch Kobe onto Bibby during those heated Kings series – Fisher got eaten alive in those Bibby screen and rolls). Kurt’s post did accurately confirm that Fisher is a below average one on one defender. However, I think there is more to the story. Further Fisher notes/statistics:

    A. Fisher was forced to play out of position for most of the past three seasons. Golden State and Utah both had dominant point guards (Baron, Deron) and often used Fisher as a shooting guard in a small backcourt. Last season, Fisher played 41% of the Jazz’s shooting guard minutes and only 16% of their point guard minutes. It is understandable that teams often put Fisher at the 2 instead of the 1. In most systems, he is a poor point guard. He is a weak penetrator and playmaker. He does not run the pick and roll well. He does not get into the lane and create open shots for teammates. He is not a great ball handler. So, teams often throw him at shooting guard to take advantage of his shooting. But, he is graphically undersized at the 2. Consider his PER numbers at point guard and shooting guard the last three seasons:

    • 2006-07. Point guard: 18.9 PER, 16.9 PER allowed. Shooting guard: 9.7 PER, 17.2 PER allowed.
    • 2005-06. Point guard: 17.6 PER, 16.9 PER allowed. Shooting guard: 13.4 PER, 16.1 PER allowed.
    • 2004-05. Point guard: 15.7 PER, 17.2 PER allowed. Shooting guard: 12.3 PER, 14.2 PER allowed.

    The numbers consistently show that Fisher was much more effective offensively as a point guard. This makes sense. He is 6’1” and not equipped to succeed against 6’6” wings. The Lakers two point guards, Smush and Farmar, had much worse point guard PER splits last year. Smush had a 12.8 PER and gave up 18.0; Farmar had a 11.6 and gave up 15.2. Combined, the Lakers PER /- at point guard was the fourth worst in the league at -4.3. Fisher, on the other hand, had a 2.0 PER last year at the position (but a shocking -7.5 at shooting guard).

    Fisher’s offensive talents are best suited for the Lakers. In the triangle, he is not forced to be the primary ball handler or playmaker. Instead, he can focus on doing the things he does well – moving the ball to the right places, making strong cuts, creating perfect spacing, hitting open threes, etc.

    B. Yes, Fisher is a below average one on one defender. He consistently gives up an opposing PER above the league average. He is small and relatively slow for a point guard. However, his opposing PER numbers diminish his broader defensive contributions. Consider:

    Over the last three seasons, Fisher’s teams have been far more effective in team defense when he is on the court, then when he is off the court. His teams’ on-court and off-court numbers (per 100 possessions).

    • 2006-07 Jazz. On court: 111.1 points, 107.5 points allowed. Off court: 112.0 points, 109.4 points allowed.
    • 2005-06 Warriors. On court: 105.8 points, 106.5 points allowed. Off court: 105.5 points, 109.1 points allowed.
    • 2004-05 Warriors. On court: 105.0 point, 107.3 points allowed. Off court: 106.0 points, 109.0 points allowed.

    Over the last three seasons, when Fisher was on the court, team defense improved by 1.9, 2.6, and 1.7 points per 100 possessions. This is significant. I believe it is more significant than opposing PER or opposing eFG%. Basketball is not a game of one on one, but five on five. Over a large sample size, Fisher’s presence has consistently saved his team points. How can that be if he is letting his man score so easily? I believe it is because he is such an intelligent help defender. He understands spacing, effective double-teaming, boxing out, etc. He understands the little things. This is borne out by the fact he is consistently near the top of the league in charges drawn (13th last year and 8th the year before). Drawing charges doesn’t make you a great defender, but it does show an ability and willingness to do the little things that make up strong team defense. The numbers show that Fisher consistently does those things and has a positive defensive impact.

    Additionally, I think Fisher’s low opposing PER numbers is somewhat the product of the teams he has played for. Fisher does not have the size or speed to “lock down” a speedy point guard one on one. However, he is very good at maintaining proper position, moving his feet, and funneling his man into the right spots for effective help defense. However, over the last three seasons, he has been playing for poor defensive teams – the Jazz and Warriors. Both teams boast weak interior defense, without big men who can block/alter shots or disrupt the pick and roll. Now, the Lakers obviously have the same problem right now. But if an O’Neal or Garnett were acquired (or Kwame or Bynum suddenly improved), Fisher’s team defense would become very valuable.

    C. Fisher understands the nuances of the game (see my previous post…). He does all of those little things. His contributions exceed the stat sheet. Despite often playing out of position, shooting a low %, giving up poor opposing PER numbers, and so forth, Fisher consistently generates positive on court/off court numbers. Last season, his /- was 1.1. The two previous years for the Warriors, it was 3.2 and 2.0. Fisher makes his teams better, on and off the court. (Smush last year? -4.9. Ouch.)

    Comment by reed — July 12, 2007 @ 5:09 pm

  • tj

    We need Artest, Kobe wants Artest, Phil wants Artest. Kobe, Fisher, Artest, KG, or JO. Do what ever it takes…LO is fine if we can keep him but we need another star, Artest Kobe and LO that’s fine…

    And I do believe Kobe would be happy if he get’s Artest and Fisher!!!

  • tj

    KG ARTEST FISHER AND WE’RE SET….DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BRING THESE 3 PLAYERS IN.

    KG ARTEST FISHER = THE LAKERS ARE BACK!

  • kobeguru

    you can’t get all three. You can’t get kevin garnett without using kwame. THe only other alternative is radman’s horrible contract.

  • Ricky

    forget garnett and o’neal because they are long shots as long as ex-celtics bird and mchale manages those players. the next thing the lakers can do is keep their current roster and trade for ron artest.

    there are two trade scenarios that i can see which will work out for both teams.

    trade #1: package kwame brown, sasha vujacic, and a future first round pick in exchange for artest.

    trade #2: package kwame brown, vladimir radmanovic, sasha vujacic, and a future first round pick in exchange for artest and abdur-rahim.

    either trade bringing artest in along with the current lakers’ roster would be strong enough to compete in the very tough western conference.

  • That’s Right

    [quote comment="7228"]We need Artest, Kobe wants Artest, Phil wants Artest. Kobe, Fisher, Artest, KG, or JO. Do what ever it takes…LO is fine if we can keep him but we need another star, Artest Kobe and LO that’s fine…

    And I do believe Kobe would be happy if he get’s Artest and Fisher!!![/quote]

    Yep that’s what we need a huge fucking head case in Artest. Fuck him and the Maloofs who won’t trade him here no matter what.

    As for LO – if we can get KG – ship his ass out!

  • That’s Right

    [quote comment="7257"]forget garnett and o’neal because they are long shots as long as ex-celtics bird and mchale manages those players. the next thing the lakers can do is keep their current roster and trade for ron artest.

    there are two trade scenarios that i can see which will work out for both teams.

    trade #1: package kwame brown, sasha vujacic, and a future first round pick in exchange for artest.

    trade #2: package kwame brown, vladimir radmanovic, sasha vujacic, and a future first round pick in exchange for artest and abdur-rahim.

    either trade bringing artest in along with the current lakers’ roster would be strong enough to compete in the very tough western conference.[/quote]

    Are you a fucking Kings fan? YTF would anyone want Abdur-Rahim. Also, how is Artest going to make the Lakers compete for a championship? How’s his track record been so far?

  • tj

    Lakers get: KG ARTEST Brad Miller
    Minn get: Bibby Bynum and 2 1st round laker picks
    Sac gets: JO Kwame Vladrad Farmar Cook
    Indiana get: LO and draft pick from Sac

    Make me the new Lakers GM and I’ll pull the trigger tomorrow….oh well one can dream

  • Ricky

    THAT’S RIGHT is fucking asshole!! first of all, i am not a king’s fan, cause if i was, then i wouldn’t bother commenting on this site at all, so shut the fuck up!! second, abdur-rahim would be helpful when it comes to veteran experience and is insurance for the front court since most of the injuries were to our big men last season. that’s why abdur-rahim would be a big plus if we could get him along with artest in exchange for kwame, radmanovic, vujacic, and a future first round pick.

    THAT’S RIGHT is a bitch ass!!

  • That’s Right

    FUck you Ricky, you obviously dont know shit if you’re recommending Abdur-Rahim – no playoff experience to speak of. And you never answered the question on Artest making Lakers a championship contender. He’s a another shooter with an attitude. BITCH!!

  • Ricky

    you know what, THAT’S RIGHT, im tired of arguing about something so ridiculous. lets just agree to disagree and forget all this shit ever came up okay?? everyone has their own opinion and if you say artest is just another shooter with an attitude, than i respect your opinion, i just hope you can drop the issue, is that cool with you??

  • http://www.getgarnett.com Fred A.

    It is good to get Artest but I like Odom much better, cause he is more fluent. Artest seems to slow. Odom is more of a west coast laker type player. Artest is like a piston he would probly won’t fit right in ‘SHOWTIME’. I would only trade Radmon/Mckie for Artest.

  • punkjones

    What else is new? Artest is utterly insane. I would love to see him alongside Kobe but he is really, truly crazy. I don’t know what it would take to get him here. Hard to imagine the Kings trading him here unless they are desperate. You won’t see the Lakers go after him (if ever) I think until they figure out whether they can get KG or JO.

  • David

    [quote comment="7322"]What else is new? Artest is utterly insane. I would love to see him alongside Kobe but he is really, truly crazy…..[/quote]

    He’s not half as crazy as Dennis Rodman and look what Phil was able to do. I don’t think his attitude will be a problem as long as Phil uses some of that zen magic.

  • TheComeBacKid

    [quote comment="7393"][quote comment="7322"]What else is new? Artest is utterly insane. I would love to see him alongside Kobe but he is really, truly crazy…..[/quote]

    He’s not half as crazy as Dennis Rodman and look what Phil was able to do. I don’t think his attitude will be a problem as long as Phil uses some of that zen magic.[/quote]

    It was a different time back then with different players. Yeah Rodman was a headcase, but back then players actually respected what their coaches said. Now, especially with Artest, they do whatever they want, and don’t give a damn about the coach.

  • kb24kg21

    I’ve definately tried to figure whether Artest would be a good asset or not, but to be honest it all depends on who is traded for him, does anyone have any scenarios?