“If Kobe goes, I’m gone”

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Fan’s threatening to leave the Lakers. Improbable and impossible as it seems, some are threatening to walk out on their favorite team, the Lakers, if Kobe is traded or opts out. I’ve heard more than a few bloggers say if Kobe goes, “That’s it, I’m out of here.”

When you really listen to them, they are just fans venting frustration with the Front Office. The thought of losing two Hall of Fame players in 4 years is too much for some to bear.

But to follow Kobe no matter where he goes, is bordering on worship. He is awesome to watch. I will admit, I’ve been a frequent admirer and sometimes worshiper of the Half Man – Half God, Kobe Bryant. He does things that mere mortals wish they could do. But following Kobe to the ends of the earth, like the old Carole King song, “Where you lead, I will follow. Any where, any where, you want me too” is not my thing.

Think about it. Could you really root for Kobe if he played for the Boston Celtics, the Sacramento Kings, or gasp, the Phoenix Suns? Absolutely, positively, no way.

If you think you can, try this test first.

Repeat after me: “I love the Phoenix Suns. Go Suns. Beat the Lakers!”

If you found that hard or even impossible to say, (try typing it) then you are truly a Laker Fan for life.

My loyalty is with the Lakers, even if they have a funny name, that makes no sense being in L.A.

But the thought did come up to me, is there anything that could make ME, Fatty, leave the Lakers? I mean, something they could do that is so bad, that Fatty says “that’s it, I’m out of here.” And surprising even to me, I pondered the question, and came up with some things that would cause even Fatty, to question HIS loyalty to the Lakers. I’m sure you have some things that might push you over the edge, but here’s my. . .

Top Ten Reasons to Leave the Lakers:

10. Buss moves the team to Las Vegas and changes the name to the Vegas Gamblers.

9. Lakers hire Isaiah Thomas as President, Kevin Mchale as General Manager, and Danny Ainge as Coach.

8. Lakers then trade Kobe to the Celtics for Scott Pollard and two number two’s and cash.

7. Dr. Buss leaves the team to Jim Buss, then Jim appoints himself President, General Manager, and Coach. Then marries his sister Jeannie to solidify control of the franchise (that’s sick).

6. Jim Buss changes the name of the Lakers to the Los Angeles Jim Buss’.

5. Buss sells the Franchise to an ownership group lead by O J Simpson, Barry Bonds, Michael Vick, Michael Jackson and Raja Bell.

4. Lakers sign Kwame to another max extension.

3. Laker’s trade Lamar Odom to Miami for ‘Hey, Hey, Hey, it’s Antoine Walker and Smush Parker. And then Smush is appointed Captain.

2. Staples Center name is changed to The Tampon “For the active Gal” Arena or The Viagra Slam Dunk Moment Arena (Either name and I’m out of here).

And the number one reason and the straw that breaks the Camels back. The Laker Girls are replaced by the Laker Boys.

Okay, if you haven’t figured out by now, I’m just having some fun.

But its your turn. Is there anything the Lakes could do to push you over the edge? To where you say, “that’s it, I’m out of here” (One request, you can keep it serious or funny, but keep it clean.).

  • loyal but not stupid

    There is nothing that the Lakers can do to make me abandon them and root for another team.I’ve root for L.A. for so long that I can’t even root for another team when i watch other games. As for those fans that believe in the “if he goes we go” you guys are just star chasers.There was a Lakers before kobe and there will be a Lakers after Kobe.Good luck 2007 Lakers it’s do or die this season..but if u fall know that this fan will still tune into KCAL 9 to watch your away games

  • SILO

    I completely agree with everything you said, Fatty.

    If you are saying, “Kobe leaves, I’m gone too” you are not a Laker fan. You are a Kobe fan or the newly stated term kobe ****rider. They are mooching off our Glory and our Pride as Laker fans.

    As Laker fans we have been through alot in the years but thats what makes being true fans is all about. When we finally get another banner, we can kick those fake fans to the side.

  • ab4sure

    If the Lakers move to St. Louis and change their name to the ST. LOUIS RAMS.

  • http://www.lakers.com Ed

    If the Lakers trade Kobe, I’m out of here!!!!

  • http://theworldvoice.com LUUUUKE

    if the lakers trade kobe i would seriously consider boycotting them for a very long time. at least untill buss sells me or someone else the team. I wouldn’t follow Kobe and worship him wherever he goes but just the fact that the lakers would let him go at all is heinous enough and merits riots in the streets. If Kobe’s traded the lakers would cease being the lakers. there’d be no superstar, no main attraction, and they would be taking a huge step in the direction of the clippers. god forbid.

  • MacBSlick

    Ive been a Laker Fan for for near 30 years now. Hell I can remember my Grandfather when I was maybe 9 or 10 listening to Chick on a little transistor radio in his bedroom (My Grandmother hated that). I love Kobe and Ive been an adament supporter of his from the day West traded for him. I supported him through all the Shaq abuse and his rape hearings and Im supporting him through all this mess too. But never and I mean never would I stop being a Laker Fan if Kobe left or were traded. I can still remember when Magic Johnson started talking come back and there were tons of rumors of him signing with another team. I was so pissed off that if he had signed with another team my days as a Magic Fan would have ended. Thank the Lord he resigned with us. Same goes for Kobe. Ill root against him every frickin time no matter what. LakerLore far out weighs any one player. I have to much history invested in this team than to let one player no matter who he is destroy that. Players come and go But The Lakers are forever.

  • fatty

    AB4sure,

    I watching the Rams right now losing to the Ravens. Definately a Top Ten reason 4sure.

    Luuuke, Riot in the streets. “You lead, and I will follow you”

  • kb24 4life

    “If Kobe goes, I’m gone”

  • http://hzmdesigns.com hZm

    [quote comment="14615"]“If Kobe goes, I’m gone”[/quote]

    Byyyyyye!

  • The Nugget

    Please chill with the profanity, SILO.

  • GetBisonDele

    if you leave cause kobe leaves

    im glad

    we dont need people like that around here..

    take brian cook while you’re at it homegirls

  • TheLAunit

    If KoBe Leaves It will hurt alot I might even Cry For a year, but I’m Staying put I’m not going anywhere. I see who the TRUE FANS REALLY ARE……FAKES

    GO LaKERs!!!

  • http://hzmdesigns.com hZm

    Losing Kobe will be extremely upsetting. I’m not even saying that I side with the Lakers in this little war they’re having; this team has made some bad decisions.

    BUT, Lakers are my team. As much as I would hate to lose Kobe… I’m a Lakers fan. A Lakers fan.

  • TheLAunit

    Lakers ticket will decrease and fans will not show up to the games, plus we wouldn’t even have to watch because we no that the Organization will be preparing for the future. so the games will have no meaning and wouldn’t be exciting.

  • Leo

    If Kobe goes i’m gone

  • k0be da 1 andonly

    Which team you goin to KObe???…….oh me too

  • BEC

    GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Enough said.

  • steve

    Fatty once again a great post well done …In 1981 on a saturday night my family and i had a wedding to attend.I was 5 years old and was dressed before my sister and my parents so i sat down to watch the tv while i waited to go…The tv presenter was Don lane an american guy who had moved to Australia in 70S and worked for the ABC.The game on the tv was a lakers game and a guy by the name of MAGIC JONHSON was on fire…since that day basketball is the game i follow first while the rest of the country follows football(aussie rules) or rugby…..MAGIC made me want to watch the lakers play and the lakers i will follow while my bottom faces the earth that i live on….lakers first

  • http://hzmdesigns.com hZm

    [quote comment="14623"]Lakers ticket will decrease and fans will not show up to the games, plus we wouldn’t even have to watch because we no that the Organization will be preparing for the future. so the games will have no meaning and wouldn’t be exciting.[/quote]

    Prices won’t drop. If they do… I’ll be really really happy. Maybe I can afford season tickets now.

    I hope it can filter out the bandwagon fans out of Staples Center. Fans still will show up. This will still be the biggest Basketball show in SoCal.

    I’d love to tune in and watch our new team develop. Depends on who we get though. If we happen to get young players in return… I would love to see it.

  • alvin

    I would probably be gone if Kobe left, but I wouldn’t follow Kobe. I don’t think I’d like basketball anymore. You guys are saying you think it’s dumb to follow Kobe to the ends of the earth, but I won’t follow the Lakers to it either. I’m sick of poor management and a team run by Jim Buss. The Lakers I loved died when Jerry West left. The Lakers don’t exist anymore, it’s a shadow of it’s former self with the same name. If you don’t see it, you’re blinding yourself with this whole “true fan” stuff. If they were trying to win, I’d accept it and still love them. But not like this, not trading the second Michael Jordan when he’s entering his prime.
    We’ll see how the FO handles this situation, but I can’t blame those jumping off the wagon. I bleed purple and gold, but I might be one of them.

  • BEC

    I wont even miss Kobe if he leaves. Hed just be another player like Smush Parker who left this team. Would I miss winning for a while? Sure, but im a pure basketball fan, win or lose, its still the game of basketball, and at the same time im watching a team that ive loved all my life, theres no down side, watching young talent grow inst bad either.

  • lakers4life

    leo, kobeda 1 andolny, kb24 4life, and ed get the fuck out of here! the site it called lakersnation not kobenation

  • Felix

    If KOBE leaves I’d basically leave aswell. I’d still be a laker fan. At the same time I’d root for kobe on the day his new team plays us. The main reason is that the lakers screwed him and the fans. How are you going to have the best player in the world and rebuild. If he was going to be traded at the end of the day they should have kept Shaq and built around him and let kobe go to the Clippers that way kobe would still be in L.A. and we’d have the best of both worlds lol…

  • youknowwhatitis

    This is tough. I see what you guys are saying and if Kobe goes, I would have to dig deep to find out where my loyalty lies. On one hand I love Kobe. He’s the best in the league. What he does is absolutely incredible. Part of the reason I’m even following the Lakers is because of Kobe. But it’s Kobe who created this situation. I feel betrayed by Kobe. The decisions he has made during this past off season has crippled the organization. A lot of people are blaming the F.O. but if Kobe had kept his cool, kept his mouth shut and kept things between himself and F.O, things could’ve been a lot different than they are now. I think I’m staying with the Lakers because regardless of where he gets traded to, we’ll get some good players back in return. The question now is who? A couple of months ago I remember there was an article out there discussing the minimum requirements that a team would have to offer: something along the lines of a superstar, a young talent, from the east. So who would that be? Gilbert? Lebron? Wade? I think it’s time to start thinking about what deals will make our team better instead of “what can we do to mend the situation and keep Kobe”. I think we’re past the point of no return. Too much has been said by both sides for things to just peacefully cool down.

    Something to note: Lebron’s little visit to the Indian-Yankees game has some people in Cleveland riled up. Is it enough for the Cavs to consider swapping Superstars? Just something to ponder.

  • http://theworldvoice.com LUUUUKE

    just the fact that we have to discuss the possibility of kobe leaving is very troubling for me. I honestly can’t imagine the lakers without kobe, as i couldnt imagine the lakers without shaq before he was traded. of course no one player is bigger than the lakers and of course my loyatlies are eternally with the lakers BUT if kobe leaves i will have NO RESPECT whatsoever for the management and ownership. that disgust would probably translate into me not watching or going to games in protest (for a while). The current front office regime has made so many blatant errors rivilng in length of the laundry list of mistakes the bush administration has made. We’re talking about possibly trading michael jordan reincarnated here. I would seriously cry if they trade him. It really just makes me sad reading all these posts.

  • http://www.myspace.com/regg66 rpouncy14

    Don’t leave Kobe!!!

  • Tim-4-Show

    It’s impossible for me to leave the lakers simply because it’s impossible for me to forget my childhood. I suppose a bad case of retrograde amnesia would cause me to become a lost fan.

    HOWEVER, what is staring us in the face is the potential that we may not see a championship Lakers team for a very long time.

    The Dodgers were a storied team, just like the Lakers, and they haven’t come close since 1988. The Knicks use to be tough, but they haven’t won it since 1973 (they came close in 99).

    What fans need to know is just how bad it *could* get. None of us wants to lose, but there can only be one winner, and it’s not easy to assemble a dominate team that has a chance year after year. What am I saying? I’m saying that when or if Kobe & PJ leave, it could be decades before we see a championship caliber team. Let’s hope not.

  • lakers4life

    guys dont forget its la! we always get saved by something

  • LA_LAKER FAN

    [quote comment="14628"][quote comment="14623"]Lakers ticket will decrease and fans will not show up to the games, plus we wouldn’t even have to watch because we no that the Organization will be preparing for the future. so the games will have no meaning and wouldn’t be exciting.[/quote]

    Prices won’t drop. If they do… I’ll be really really happy. Maybe I can afford season tickets now.

    I hope it can filter out the bandwagon fans out of Staples Center. Fans still will show up. This will still be the biggest Basketball show in SoCal.

    I’d love to tune in and watch our new team develop. Depends on who we get though. If we happen to get young players in return… I would love to see it.[/quote]
    stop lying your just saying thatgod no one will shiw up to the games if kobe is gone all the celeberties dont want to garbage play

    o yeah fix your website it doesnt work

  • lakers4life

    [quote comment="14639"]guys dont forget its la! we always get saved by something[/quote]

    watch Indiana is going to have a bad start then trade jo to us for cheap

  • LA_LAKER FAN

    [quote comment="14628"][quote comment="14623"]Lakers ticket will decrease and fans will not show up to the games, plus we wouldn’t even have to watch because we no that the Organization will be preparing for the future. so the games will have no meaning and wouldn’t be exciting.[/quote]

    Prices won’t drop. If they do… I’ll be really really happy. Maybe I can afford season tickets now.

    I hope it can filter out the bandwagon fans out of Staples Center. Fans still will show up. This will still be the biggest Basketball show in SoCal.

    I’d love to tune in and watch our new team develop. Depends on who we get though. If we happen to get young players in return… I would love to see it.[/quote]

    LAIR, LAIR, LAIR

    fix your website!!!

  • http://LAL Jonas Joseph

    KOBE KOBE DONT GO I WILL STILL BE WITH THE LAKERS BUT LIKE ALL U FANS KNOW IT WOULDENT BE THE SAME

  • foxxy

    [quote comment="14625"]Which team you goin to KObe???…….oh me too[/quote]

    IM WITH KOBE…RIDE OR DIE!!!

  • lakrfan4life

    it would sicken me to see kobe leave, what the f*** is the office thinking?!?!?! we have the best player in the game and the damn office isnt doing anything to make kobe stay. i say, first move, fire jim buss and mitch kupcake. alright luke, so when we rallying?

  • shawn

    Ill always stay a laker kobe doesnt change anything lakers are the lakers go la!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • shawn

    anyone that said their gone are stupid yeah i said that

  • T-Dub

    you people who’ll watch the lakers without Kobe or any other superstar truly have no life. its all about entertainment and they have none without Kobe. and they wont even get an all-star in return. i hope he holds them hostege for 2 years and walk leaving them nothing. thats what they deserve since they’ve done nothing!

  • http://mike2008.wordpress.com laker_27

    Buss’s comment has definitely changed Kobe’s attitude toward his games as a lakers.

  • PHANTOM

    kobe is the only thing keeping the lakers from becoming the clippers. when buss finally trades kobe he will complete the transition to the clippers! way to go you you senile old man. stick to something you know about tequilla and hookers and sell the team to a person that loves the lakers.

  • http://hzmdesigns.com hZm

    I’m a Kobe fan because I’m a Lakers fan.

    Simple as that.

  • gugy

    Magic Johnson should be the man taking over Jerry Buss. Not his retarded son called Jim Buss.
    Jerry Buss always say the MJ is his son, so why not give the FO to Magic so he can fix this mess and make us happy again.

    I agreed with Luuuke. I will always be a Lakers, but if Kobe leaves I will be so angry that I might end up rooting against the Lakers to see real changes happening at the management level.
    I just can’t believe this nightmare doesn’t end,

  • kvsm23vs24

    Lakers4life, i hope your right getting JO for cheap, yeah i love Kobe. For real if Kobe left i would cry, but still being a Laker fan. i doubt we would get a superstar. When West was with us he tried to win. try to win with Malone and Payton, they lost be he tried. When he left they lost Phil, malone,payton, Shaq, Fisher, Fox, well pretty much their roster. Cannot lose Kobe, Im glad Jordan was not in this situation. Imagine Buss trading him to Celtics that would be stupid or some other whack team. Same wth Kobe how are you going to trade the best scorer ever? 2 HOF lost thats in 4 yrs thats not right

  • lakers4life

    hzm! can u plz change the picture! its scaring me, it looks like kobes on the spurs!

  • ab4sure

    [quote comment="14652"]you people who’ll watch the lakers without Kobe or any other superstar truly have no life. its all about entertainment and they have none without Kobe. and they wont even get an all-star in return. i hope he holds them hostege for 2 years and walk leaving them nothing. thats what they deserve since they’ve done nothing![/quote]

    What a really ignorant statement. Perhaps people appreciate the game of basketball. I would go to a good hs basketball game. I also appreciate good team basketball. The lakers played an exciting first 3 games of last year and many here remember it. Kobe didn’t even play in them. Not only do you not appreciate the game of basketball you care less about the lakers. And not only are you Ignorant but Arrogant to suggest that we basketball and laker fans have no life. Think about it for a moment. You are going to act like a pathetic guy who lost a beautiful girl. Following her around everywhere. Groveling for her to take you back. Your really are Whipped on Kobe TDub. I wonder once he leaves you if he will take you back. hahahahaha

  • steve

    ab4sure….Thankyou very much ,could not have said it better

  • kyler_hay

    [quote comment="14658"]hzm! can u plz change the picture! its scaring me, it looks like kobes on the spurs![/quote]
    i agree i hate da spurs

  • Michael_23

    If he opts out maybe he can go to the Clippers.

  • PhxLkrFan

    I can’t wait for Kobe Fan to leave when he does. I am glad there are sane fans out here in AZ like you and I fatty. Bye bye Kobe fan.

  • Arthur_21

    here’s the thing, ive watched the lakers and been a fan ever since ive followed basketball, but ive done the same when kobe first started in the nba. honestly if kobe was to be traded, i would still remain a laker fan, cuz i seriously couldnt say that line with go phoenix. Anyway but i would still be rooting kobe, no matter where he went, and i would definetly root for kobe to beat LA for screwing his career over. i mean honestly how can u trade the best basketball player in the world and still expect to be something good after that. theres no way. Anyways i dont believe anyone, and i mean anyone, is that stupid to trade kobe, theres no way hes leaving. LAKER FOR LIFE!!!

  • http://lakersworldwide.blogspot.com shyguy_2004

    While it would be horrible if Kobe did leave the Lakers, true Laker fans will still root for the Lakers. I, as well as the other true Lakers fans, root for the Lakers before Kobe. Plain and simple.

  • magicbalala245

    You guys are tripping kobe will not leave in my opion cause i am hopeing that they land JO for a cheap price and that this soap oprea is over

  • kvsm23vs24

    Agreed magicbalala245

  • PHANTOM

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2381~1981~3032~110~617~615&teams=11~13~13~4~11~13&te=&cash=

    how about a 3 way trade with chicago and indiana.

    lakers get jo,kirk,tyrus sign and trade pj brown
    chicago gets kobe
    indiana gets lamar and gordon

    lakers lineup would be

    kirk-fish-farmar
    evans-critt-sasha
    walton-tyrus-vlad
    jo-turiaff-pj
    bynum-mimh-brown

    that would be fun to watch this team gel

  • kgmvp

    If kobe goes i will still be a laker fan but if we trade Kobe for stupid people then i might not be a Laker fan anymore…..but still GO LAKERS!!!!

  • kobe-wankenobi

    dear phantom
    dat team will not even get to the playoffs…
    enjoy!

  • kb24 4life

    we are just speculating, there are a lot of superstar in the past that have been in serious trade talks but is just that, talks , maybe we are speculating an kobe will not be traded

  • Lonestar 848

    Phantom,

    Interesting but a few problems.
    First of all we are wayyy overloaded at PG then with Kirk, Fish, Farmar, Critt.
    Our 2 guard situation stinks with Evans starting.
    We are way overloaded at PF/C.

    And the whole premise of landing O’Neal was for him to play alongside Kobe, not by himself.

    We can’t get a washed up vet for Kobe…got to get some sort of star power

  • Gerard

    “But following Kobe to the ends of the earth, like the old Carly Simon song, “Where you lead, I will follow. Any where, any where, you want me too” is not my thing.”

    OOPS–that song was written by Carole King

  • ricky

    it’s hard to listen to all these trade rumor about kobe because you can’t imagine that the lakers will make the mistake of trading away the best center in the past decade; then go right on to trading the best guard and currently the best player in the world of the past decade. also, its just weird to see kobe play any where else other than in los angeles with the lakers. will all the drama surrounding kobe and the lakers since the championship days, its hard to see that all go away because i think deep down inside, dr. buss really does not want to trade kobe. he knows he wont get fair value in return in any deal and there is not player currently who can match the overall skills, intensity, dedication, and passion that kobe has. i seriously believe that kobe is a laker for life and withing the next 2 years, the lakers will be planning to make major changes with all the free agents and potential opt outs of many all-star caliber players.

  • kb43

    [quote comment="14615"]“If Kobe goes, I’m gone”[/quote]

    Me too

  • fatty

    Gerard,

    “OOPS–that song was written by Carole King”

    You see what happens when you get to my age. All these artists start to blend. Carole King, Carly Simon, James Taylor, etc….

    Thanks for the correction. Don’t hesitate in the future to help. Or better yet, next time I decide to use old songs for illustrative purposes, I’ll have you proof it for me.

  • foxxy

    [quote comment="14630"]I wont even miss Kobe if he leaves. Hed just be another player like Smush Parker who left this team. Would I miss winning for a while? Sure, but im a pure basketball fan, win or lose, its still the game of basketball, and at the same time im watching a team that ive loved all my life, theres no down side, watching young talent grow inst bad either.[/quote]
    You are trippin…like smush??? how can ou make that comparison?????????????? AGAIN..KEEP IT REAL!!!!!!

  • foxxy

    [quote comment="14634"]This is tough. I see what you guys are saying and if Kobe goes, I would have to dig deep to find out where my loyalty lies. On one hand I love Kobe. He’s the best in the league. What he does is absolutely incredible. Part of the reason I’m even following the Lakers is because of Kobe. But it’s Kobe who created this situation. I feel betrayed by Kobe. The decisions he has made during this past off season has crippled the organization. A lot of people are blaming the F.O. but if Kobe had kept his cool, kept his mouth shut and kept things between himself and F.O, things could’ve been a lot different than they are now. I think I’m staying with the Lakers because regardless of where he gets traded to, we’ll get some good players back in return. The question now is who? A couple of months ago I remember there was an article out there discussing the minimum requirements that a team would have to offer: something along the lines of a superstar, a young talent, from the east. So who would that be? Gilbert? Lebron? Wade? I think it’s time to start thinking about what deals will make our team better instead of “what can we do to mend the situation and keep Kobe”. I think we’re past

    the point of no return. Too much has been said by both sides for things to just peacefully cool down.

    Something to note: Lebron’s little visit to the

    Indian-Yankees game has some people in Cleveland riled up. Is it enough for the Cavs to consider swapping Superstars? Just something to ponder.[/quote]
    PLEASE…FEEL BETRAYED B DR BUSS&CO….THEY’RE LIARS AND USERS!!!1

  • ab4sure

    Dr. Buss has always pursued making the lakers a champion. He has eight championships to prove that. Calling him a Liar is just not using common sense. You may say the FO and Buss made some poor choices(they have also made some good ones, too)but to call him a liar is at the very least a poor choice of word but more probably a person who is so in love with kobe they can’t think straight and can’t bear the thought of losing him.

  • Martinez

    I was a Kobe fan before I was a Laker fan, so I am a Laker fan because I am a Kobe fan. I want Lakers to win, just as much as the next person, because I want Kobe to win. But my heart is with Kobe not the Lakers. As bad as that may sound to some of you.

  • PHANTOM

    [quote comment="14695"]Dr. Buss has always pursued making the lakers a champion. He has eight championships to prove that. Calling him a Liar is just not using common sense. You may say the FO and Buss made some poor choices(they have also made some good ones, too)but to call him a liar is at the very least a poor choice of word but more probably a person who is so in love with kobe they can’t think straight and can’t bear the thought of losing him.[/quote]

    ab4sure,

    I think more than being a liar he is becoming senile. With the choices he and the front office have made since west have left have been so detrimental to the future of the lakers. also look at his personel life driving drunk down the wrong side of the street and picking up underage hookers. this is something you expect rookies and young players to do not the owner of the most prestigious team in all of sports… Buss its time for the padded room i’m sorry to say, hopefully magic can buy the team i think his hooker days are over…

  • TheLAunit

    Its little doute in my mind that Kobe is leaving LA. He knows that he means a lot to the Lakers. We just need to get some help on the court, but I think that this season we will do good enough that Kobe would change his mind halfway through the season. That’s if Buss doesn’t trade him first. But we should be fine…GO LAKERS…CUT COOK!!!!!!

  • http://hzmdesigns.com hZm

    [quote comment="14698"]I was a Kobe fan before I was a Laker fan, so I am a Laker fan because I am a Kobe fan. I want Lakers to win, just as much as the next person, because I want Kobe to win. But my heart is with Kobe not the Lakers. As bad as that may sound to some of you.[/quote]

    Thats understandable. Many others such as myself are the complete opposite.

    I love Kobe… he’s a great player and a great person; but I’m a huge fan of his mainly because he wears our jersey.

  • BEC

    Why is Dr.Buss’s personal life being brought up? Its completely irrelevant and just flat out stupid to relate that to our situation. You can still win titles and still have fun, and for one im sure he hasnt changed his life style for ten years plus.

    And for those who keep bring up Kobes rant that lost leverage, lets say Kobe didnt make his rants public. Would have that meant we wouldve gotten a trade done to make this a contendor? NO! Not one bit, with leverage we still wouldnt have gotten KG or JO or Artest. We all know about that Celtic bond with Mchale, Bird wont give JO without getting LO and AB, and we all know how much the Maloofs hate us. So even with leverage it WOULDNT EVEN MATTER. No trade even with leverage would have happen.

  • daboss1848

    BEC, agree wholeheartedly with first paragraph, but second is just unfair speculation. Cant speculate one way or the other – one thing we know for sure is that his rant didnt help. Did it hurt? Deductive reasoning suggests that if it didnt help, it must have hurt. Of course, there’s always the “no effect” rule . . .

  • byebyekb24

    i would rather watch us lose than watch kobe talk down and disrespect the orginization kobe is not the lakers. so cal is the lakers . bye bye bi**h get on kobe is a punk lakers for life

  • PHANTOM

    [quote comment="14717"]Why is Dr.Buss’s personal life being brought up? Its completely irrelevant and just flat out stupid to relate that to our situation. You can still win titles and still have fun, and for one im sure he hasnt changed his life style for ten years plus.

    Its relevant because we have grown up watching and falling in love with the lakers and to see him destroy this franchise that we love, it hurts!! so you look at his personal life to see if he is destoying that too. well guess what he is… someone needs to step in and save the lakers. http://www.savethelakers.com

  • PHANTOM
  • foxxy

    [quote comment="14723"]i would rather watch us lose than watch kobe talk down and disrespect the orginization kobe is not the lakers. so cal is the lakers . bye bye bi**h get on kobe is a punk

    lakers for life[/quote]
    YOU NEED TO QUIT SMOKIN…KOBE IS THE LAKERS…KEEP IT REAL!!!

  • foxxy

    [quote comment="14732"][quote comment="14723"]i would rather watch us lose than watch kobe talk down and disrespect the orginization kobe is not the lakers. so cal is the lakers . bye bye bi**h get on kobe is a punk

    lakers for life[/quote]
    YOU NEED TO QUIT SMOKIN…KOBE IS THE LAKERS…KEEP IT REAL!!![/quote]

  • BEC

    [quote comment="14733"][quote comment="14732"][quote comment="14723"]i would rather watch us lose than watch kobe talk down and disrespect the orginization kobe is not the lakers. so cal is the lakers . bye bye bi**h get on kobe is a punk

    lakers for life[/quote]
    YOU NEED TO QUIT SMOKIN…KOBE IS THE LAKERS…KEEP IT REAL!!![/quote][/quote]

    WTF?!?! Yes follow your own advice KEEP IT REAL.

    Lakers have been around for sixty years have won 14 championships, 28 conference titles, 26 division titles. Lakers have been a storied and prestigious franchise long before Kobe was born, long before he was a laker, throughout his duration as a Laker, and still will be long after Kobe leaves. Kobes just a tiny spec of what this franchise is, weve been producing great players long before Kobe came and well still have hall of fame greats long after he leaves. Kobes just a player, i repeat just a player, who gets the honor of wearing and playing for the purple and gold.

  • euge

    sorry but if this was meant to be funny, you’re not funny. seriously. you’re pretty lame. i agree with not trading Kobe, but you need to work on your material man. i don’t know how u would really learn to be funny, i guess you watch a lot of good comedians or something, but freals, not funny man. how old are you anyway?

  • lakerkid

    [quote comment="14615"]“If Kobe goes, I’m gone”[/quote]
    me 2 man me 2

  • http://myspace.com/brittnay678 Brittnay

    [quote comment="14629"]I would probably be gone if Kobe left, but I wouldn’t follow Kobe. I don’t think I’d like basketball anymore. You guys are saying you think it’s dumb to follow Kobe to the ends of the earth, but I won’t follow the Lakers to it either. I’m sick of poor management and a team run by Jim Buss. The Lakers I loved died when Jerry West left. The Lakers don’t exist anymore, it’s a shadow of it’s former self with the same name. If you don’t see it, you’re blinding yourself with this whole “true fan” stuff. If they were trying to win, I’d accept it and still love them. But not like this, not trading the second Michael Jordan when he’s entering his prime.
    We’ll see how the FO handles this situation, but I can’t blame those jumping off the wagon. I bleed purple and gold, but I might be one of them.[/quote]

    Omg, I feel the same exact way!!!!!

  • http://myspace.com/brittnay678 Brittnay

    If Kobe leaves, I guess it will be pointless to watch basketball anymore, considering the only reason I like basketball is because of Kobe. Sorry Buss, u wont be making any money from me anymore if Kobe leaves.

  • DeepFrost

    now I understand the Sixers fans when A.I. was on the way out…

  • http://www.lakers.com Ed

    Writer Roundtable: If Kobe leaves L.A., where’s his next stop?
    ESPN.com

    Last week brought us a new chapter in the Kobe Bryant saga, with Los Angeles Lakers owner Jerry Buss saying he’s open to trading his superstar.

    To assess where things stand now, we brought five of ESPN’s top NBA reporters together:

    Does Kobe want out?

    Though his departure seems difficult to imagine, Kobe Bryant just might fly out of town.

    J.A. Adande, ESPN.com: After three years of inspecting the grass color on the other side of the fence, Kobe Bryant learned his lesson. (And this was before he spent the summer in the lush landscape of Team USA.)

    So now he realizes that sharing the spotlight with other superstars isn’t so bad, that there’s plenty of candlepower to illuminate everybody when the team wins championships.

    He knows there won’t be victory parades in Los Angeles in the near future, and he’s horrified of the prospect of wasting his prime years without playing in June. That outweighs his desire to wear the same uniform for his entire career.

    Chris Broussard, ESPN The Mag: I think Kobe definitely wants out, but he realizes it’s not good for his image to continue battling the Lakers’ front office and demeaning his teammates in public. So instead, he’s saying all the right things, focusing on basketball and privately hoping the Lakers can pull off a trade.

    Remember, in his brief response to Buss’ comments last week, Kobe said the owner’s statements just shed more light on the conversation they had had over the summer. So apparently that conversation didn’t include Kobe’s rescinding his trade demand.

    Ric Bucher, ESPN The Mag: In a perfect world, Bryant would stay a Laker for life.

    But we don’t live in a perfect world and he’s painfully aware of that, so, yes.

    He knows his years as the league’s best player are numbered and he’d like to spend at least some of them playing for a championship. The Lakers, based on their refusal to trade Andrew Bynum for Jason Kidd, aren’t feeling the same sense of urgency.

    Chris Sheridan, ESPN.com: He wanted out all summer, and the fact that Jerry Buss spent 45 minutes in Barcelona unsuccessfully trying to get him to change his mind — and Buss’ acknowledgement of subsequently fielding offers — shows how strongly both sides felt about the situation. Kobe shut down his public pleas for a trade, but the underlying reasons he wanted out in the first place always remained.

    So the big question now for me is this: Was Kobe being deceptive on media day Oct. 1 when he said he was back on board? If not, how does he explain his change of heart on wanting to pursue “a new road ahead?” Kobe, we’re waiting to hear from you …

    Marc Stein, ESPN.com: Every indication I get is that Kobe’s preferences haven’t changed. He might have stopped saying so publicly but, by all accounts, he’d rather be elsewhere, with Chicago holding particular appeal because he knows it’s easier to get to the NBA Finals in the East.

    I don’t see this changing, either, because Kobe finally sees how hard it’ll be for the Lakers to return to title contention. The odds were that it was always going to take years to recover from Shaquille O’Neal’s departure. The big change here is that Kobe, after three rough seasons on his own, sees that now.

    Why did Jerry Buss say last week that the Lakers are open to trading Kobe?

    Adande: Jerry Buss’ candid comments in Hawaii were the equivalent of a Craigslist ad: Talented superstar available; make your best offer.

    He was infatuated with Bryant, so much so that he coddled him throughout Bryant’s sexual assault case, then chose him over a Hall of Fame center and a Hall of Fame coach. Bryant’s response was to ask out after things went bad. Buss entrusted Bryant with the future of the franchise, and this was the payback he received. Last week, Buss said this is about “business,” but really it’s personal.

    Photo by Noah Graham/NBAE via Getty Images

    Jerry Buss has some thinking to do about dealing Kobe.

    Broussard: Buss is insulted that Kobe had the audacity to call him an “idiot,” and he feels that Kobe has shown no loyalty or appreciation for the fact that the Lakers stuck by him — and even went above and beyond the call of duty — during his darkest days (the sexual assault case).

    If I were an owner, paying a guy megamillions, and he disrespected me in that way, I’d be willing to trade him too (but as Buss has said, only if it’s a good deal for the Lakers). Not to mention that Buss knows Kobe will opt out of his deal after next season anyway.

    Bucher: He’s a doctor, isn’t he? What does a doctor do before he performs a painful surgery? (Yeah, I know he’s not that kind of doctor — just roll with it.) He lays out what he plans to do and why. It gives the patient time to come to terms with what is about to happen. That’s the only logical reason for announcing to the public what he said privately to Kobe months ago.

    Sheridan: To me, Buss’ comments showed how much he has already come to grips with the idea of moving forward without Kobe. Buss has been fully aware of Kobe’s dissatisfaction since the end of May, so he’s spent more than four months pondering the likelihood of a Kobe-less future.

    Stein: The timing wasn’t as surprising as it seemed because Buss always sits down with Laker beat writers when the team holds camp in Hawaii and he was obviously going to get lots of Kobe questions.

    And while I do believe Buss now feels betrayed after standing by Kobe for years — and perhaps even that he wants to start preparing his fans for the post-Kobe era — I still hear (and believe) that he’s not yet ready to trade No. 24. Not this season. Not because Buss loves him unconditionally anymore, but because he knows there’s no hope of even coming close to getting equal value.

    Is Kobe going to be traded in the next year?

    Adande: The Lakers have to trade him. They can’t let one of the league’s top players walk away (in the summer of 2009) and get nothing in return.

    The most logical time for Bryant to be traded would be just before the 2008 draft. By then teams will know the draft order and can offer specific picks to the Lakers to sweeten deals. Those teams will also have a sense of where they stand, and whether they should maintain the status quo or make a dramatic move.

    The Lakers don’t want to wait until the February 2009 trade deadline because everyone else will know Bryant’s opt-out decision is looming and will make lowball offers.

    Broussard: I don’t think it’s that cut-and-dried. Phil Jackson has Kobe playing more like a facilitator this preseason (so far), and if the Lakers are healthy and Kobe continues to share the wealth, they may have some success early, which could quell tensions. Remember, this is the team that had Phoenix on the brink less than two years ago.

    Also, if the Bulls (one of Kobe’s prime suitors) have a great season, they won’t be so quick to trade for Bryant. But if the Bulls struggle, they could pull the trigger before the trade deadline. If Dallas (and particularly Dirk) shows it can’t bounce back mentally from consecutive postseason meltdowns, the Mavs could decide to part with Dirk for Kobe (doubtful but possible). If you put a gun to my head, though, I’ll say “Yes.”

    Bucher: Has to be, if the Lakers want to make the best of this mess. At this point, the longer they wait, the less they can demand in return, particularly if their season starts off rocky. (Exhibits A and B, the KG and AI trades.)

    Sheridan: I’d say it’s more a question of whether he’s going to be traded by the deadline in mid-February. Here’s why: Kobe will hold more leverage over the Lakers next summer, because he can threaten to exercise his veto over any trade, play one more season in L.A. and then opt out and leave as an unrestricted free agent and refuse to do a sign-and-trade, leaving the Lakers getting nothing in return for him.

    Anyway, to answer the question, I’d say it’s more likely than unlikely.

    Stein: During the season, no. Not until, like J.A. suggested, closer to the draft at the earliest.

    Buss has been deeply stung by Bryant’s recent displays of disloyalty, but the Lakers know he’s virtually irreplaceable on the floor, at the box office and in the team shop. So they’re not going to trade him until they absolutely have to.

    The Lakers have to listen to every offer because Kobe can become a free agent in the summer of 2009, meaning they can lose him without compensation in less than two years. But it doesn’t make business sense to do it now. They can offset their struggles in the standings by winning business-wise with Kobe for another season. You are safe to even expect a trade next offseason when the threat of Kobe’s leaving becomes real. But between now and the trade deadline? I’d be floored.

    If and when Bryant is traded, which team will get him?

    Adande: The Chicago Bulls are the only logical bartering partners for the Lakers. A trade to Chicago gets Bryant out of the Western Conference, so they don’t have to worry about his paying multiple visits to their home court each season, or igniting against them during the playoffs.

    Photo by Garrett W. Ellwood/NBAE via Getty Images

    Playing with a polished point guard like Jason Kidd makes Kobe smile.

    The Bulls have a wealth of talented, smart young players. But the Lakers have to hold out for Luol Deng and/or Ben Gordon. They can’t make the same mistake they made the last time they dealt a superstar, when they sent Shaquille O’Neal to Miami and didn’t get a single all-star in return.

    The Bulls could still have enough pieces to be competitive, and it’s a good market, so Bryant would be less likely to exercise his no-trade clause. Chicago appealed to him when he was a free agent in 2004, and three years later, with the Baby Bulls growing up, it’s an even better destination.

    Broussard: The Bulls have to be the likeliest destination because Kobe wants to go there and they have the young assets to get a deal done. Plus, I don’t think the Bulls as currently constructed can win a title. Once they realize that they’ll be willing to trade for the closest thing there is to MJ.

    I think Dallas will be in the hunt (if I were the Mavs, I’d trade Dirk for Kobe straight up). Forget the Knicks, and I don’t see how Phoenix can get it done without breaking up its duo of Nash and Stoudemire.

    Bucher: Technically, Dallas and Chicago, because those are the only teams currently on Kobe’s list. But the field could expand, depending on what the Lakers want in return.

    If the Lakers would accept a Paul Pierce package, he’d happily go play with KG and Ray Allen. Would the Lakers accept a Suns package that didn’t include Nash or Amare? He’d go there, too.

    My guess is that Chicago remains the only logical choice for both Kobe and the Lakers, because it puts him in the East, far from L.A. — as well as San Antonio, Dallas and Phoenix, if you can smell what I’m steppin’ in. He does have a no-trade clause, so he won’t go just anywhere and he won’t go to a team stripped of contention by the deal.

    This, by the way, is the price a team pays for screwing up its relationship with its best player. If it’s any consolation, the Lakers are only the 914th team in league history to put itself in this position.

    Sheridan: If the Lakers trade him — and I think it’ll take one more blow-up from someone to push it forward — I still see Chicago as his likeliest destination. But that works only if Bulls GM John Paxson includes Luol Deng in his offer (along with Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, a No. 1 pick or Thabo Sefalosha plus P.J. Brown — currently a free agent considering retirement — for sign-and-trade purposes, to make the salaries match).

    If the Bulls are stingy (and some league sources believe Chicago owner Jerry Reinsdorf has no stomach for giving Kobe an extension if he acquires him), the Knicks will be in the picture if Kobe thinks New York is an acceptable fallback destination. Bryant has a trade veto and is wary of playing for a franchise run by Jim Dolan in the wake of last month’s sexual harassment case by a fired Knicks executive. But no one has deeper pockets than Dolan, who would be more than willing to pay Kobe’s full trade kicker and give him an extension that would make even Allan Houston jealous.

    Still, there’s always the question of whether the Lakers would accept anything offered by New York, which would try to overwhelm the Lakers with some voluminous combination of Jamal Crawford plus young talent on rookie contracts (David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, Nate Robinson, Randolph Morris), plus Malik Rose or Quentin Richardson for salary cap purposes.

    I don’t believe Buss will trade Kobe to a Western team, but if he does, I think it’ll be Dallas — in part because Buss has a good relationship with Mavericks owner Mark Cuban.

    My long-shot team is New Jersey, for a package starting with Vince Carter, although that can not happen until after Dec. 15, when players (like Carter) who signed over the summer become trade-eligible.

    Stein: Don’t forget that Kobe will continue to have a stronger-than-anyone say in this whole process; he has the NBA’s only active no-trade clause in his contract. And the three-team Kobe wish list that keeps coming up on the front-office grapevine — with apologies to the Knicks — is Chicago, Phoenix and Dallas.

    The Suns and Mavs, though, continue to rank as pretty much the last two teams Buss would want to send Kobe to. The Bulls, then, are by far the most logical destination, because they possess more trade assets than anyone and given that Kobe actually likes the idea of trying to win in Michael Jordan’s city. But Chicago is just as likely as Buss to want to wait until season’s end before seriously considering this.

    The Lakers would certainly be holding out for Luol Deng and/or Kirk Hinrich as the cornerstones of a package for Kobe and the Bulls aren’t going to part with their best players without giving them at least one more shot to go far in the playoffs. You are bound to hear folks suggest that the Lakers need to move to fast, because the offers will be better now rather than later, but I’d argue that the bids in this case might not get better until teams start to believe that Kobe is really attainable. Any potential trade partner, furthermore, is more likely to break up its team after playoff disappointment than in October or February.

  • yowsurs

    Is this happening? Are we really debating our loyalty to the Lakers or Kobe? My take on this is, I am Laker fan first, while also enjoy watching Kobe’s athleticism. I have no problem with Kobe wanting to leave, just as long as we get quality championship contender players in return. If management did what they did with Shaq, I will boycott the NBA.

    Buss needs to go or get Jerry West back!

  • Michael_23

    Did you guys watch KCAL 9/CBS 2 on the interview Kobe had with James Worthy?

    Can anyone give a link to that video? I rather have you guys watch it than me telling it from my point of view.

  • yash

    buss is bein a little btch he needs to know that LAKERS will soon be turned into LOSERS. Keep Kobe in LA. Just try to get help

  • LakersFirst

    For you “fans” who say they will no longer be Laker fans if Kobe is traded (of if he opts-out), then LEAVE NOW and don’t let the door hit you on the way out!!! You are not wanted by true Laker fans. As true Laker fans we win together and we lose together but we never abandon our team. This is a Lakers site (not a Kobe fan club). If you want to praise the most selfish player in the NBA, go to the Kobe site.

    You people can blame Buss all you want but remember he’s the man the brought us all those championship years and memorable wins.

    Kobe fans don’t ever forget – Kobe opening his big mouth is responsible for the cherished Keven Garnett for not being here (KG even said it) and because Kobe opened his big mouth, all the Lakers got were lowball offers for LO and Bynum (hence why Jermaine O’Neal is not here).

    Furthermore, I bet you more than half of the players in the NBA don’t want to play with Kobe for the sole purpose that he publicly threw his teammates under the bus at the end of last season. As a professional and teammate, in the NBA you go to war with your teammates 82 nights a year (more if you go the playoffs), your teammates deserve the respect to not publicly be bashed. Kobe doing this showed his true colors and the fact that he is yet to prove he is a leader. I think Kobe should take a look at how Lebron shows leadership skills. Not to mention you never hear Lebron complain about his front office (notice Cleveland has yet to sign Pavolovic and Varajevo but Lebron has not made one remark, publicly)

    My final thoughts are this, the Lakers were here before Kobe and they will be after Kobe, and after this, I hope you “Kobe-only” fans will no longer be here as well.

    LakersFirst

  • foxxy

    TRUST THIS…WHEN KOBE’S GONE SO WILL I BE FROM THIS SITE…NO ONE WANTS TO FACE THE TRUTH THAT BUSS & CO REALLY SCREWED UP!!!! IT WAS JERRY WEST THAT KEPT THEM TOGETHER. NOW THE COVER IS OFF AND NOW THEY ARE TRANSPARENT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE!!!! THE LAKERS ORG. IS OR HAS FALLEN APART!!!
    IT WILL BE YEARS BEFORE THEY RECOVER FROM LOSING TO FUTURE HALL OF FAMERS IN A MATTER OF 5 YRS!!!!

  • http://www.sports.myfirstview.com Daniel

    I couldn’t understand some parts of this article obe goes, I’m gone” at The Lakers Nation, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.